<p>And I had thought by “elite” he meant pimple-faced teenagers.</p>
<p>OP is trollin’ (:</p>
<p>Your username obviously indicates that you love UChicago. There’s nothing wrong with that, but you basically want people to say that UChicago is better so you can feel good about yourself…</p>
<p>aww. You want a cookie?</p>
<p>“The elite are familiar with the higher ed system and so know which schools are really at the top (they put Cornell the very last overall among Ivies) whereas “commoners” basically just lump them all top schools together. I’ve found the former to be true on CC but also in my wealthy, status-obsessed community.”</p>
<p>Translation:</p>
<p>“I am a part of the elite and look down upon you commoners who don’t know any better. People who think Cornell is better than UChicago suck.”</p>
<p>hahahaha oh dear. </p>
<p>YOU GIANT ■■■■■, YOU!!</p>
<p>rainbowsprinkles i think you are right on. i agree with everything you just said. that translation is magnificent btw =)</p>
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<p>LOL! The conversation about getting rejected from colleges/prestige literally ends like a week after orientation week if it ever gets started at all. I used to read CC extremely often and used to worry about prestige and stuff like that. But once you get into school/“the real world” you’ll find Cornell is extremely well respected by pretty much everyone (this isn’t even one of those ‘feel good CC posts’, this is actually the case.) When you say Cornell isn’t as well respected by CC/upper-class neighborhoods, what you’re really saying is that it isn’t respected by CC. These so called upper class people have the maturity and experience to realize that Cornell is an amazing school.</p>
<p>I just read through this thread.
Can somebody - anybody - explain why no other ivy league school (or other top schools like Duke etc) have this inferiority concern about their college? It is only cornell applicants and students that have to justify cornell and hear that it is not a bad school or somethig like that. What is going on here? Is the problem the state colleges at cornell?
on that point, check this thread
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html</a></p>
<p>^I don’t know why, either ): Cornell is an amazing school! Why can’t some people just understand that?</p>
<p>good question, it may not be HYPS, but those are arts & sciences colleges and are really only similar to Cornell’s college of Arts and Sciences; and there are many cross applications between HYPS and Cornell CAS. Cornell CAS and Engineering may be very selective and have a lot of kids that could not make it into HYPS … but the state schools like cals are much different and have a niche in agriculture. comparing cornell CAS & Engineering to the state contract schools at cornell is not a good comparison, they are very different in terms of admissions, etc and comparing them is what leads to a lot of this debate with kids in the state schools feeling like they have to show that even if their school was easier to get into, its just as good as arts & sciences. and the kids in arts & sciences trying to show that they are just as good as HYPS. that is what I think this thread and the other thread ( <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html</a> ) are really about in my opinion. I think all the colleges at cornell are amazing - state contract and endowed and anyone who tries hard will be well served by their education.</p>
<p>Haha universityin2015, you have it reversed. ■■■■■■ like you are envious of the glorious school in Ithaca, with great academics, a gorgeous campus, and a wonderful collegetown. Plus the #1 ranked wrestling team. Good luck in Binghamton.</p>
<p>And Chicago baby, the one kid in my class who goes to Chicago [after not being admitted to any Ivy] deeply regrets his choice. He dislikes Chicago’s lack of a traditional college feel and high-pressure academics. He’s seeking to transfer to Michigan.</p>
<p>Aww, babby’s first ■■■■■. So precious. :3</p>
<p>very nicely said Applejack. you make a good point.
but this is what this thread is all about - as said by another poster in another thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/cornell-university/1061470-cornell-concern-any-advice.html</a></p>
<p>wavedasher
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Some of you seem to be missing the point.
As post #83 by poolboy said, no one is saying that going to one of the state colleges will somehow hinder your future prospects. I agree that they get their share of smart students. I agree that they go on to do great things too. I agree that no one teases them about the school they went to after they graduate.</p>
<p>All we ARE saying is that the state schools are not as selective as CAS or CE. Like norcalguy mentioned, no one else might care if the school you went to has a 25% acceptance rate instead of a 15% rate as long as you graduated from the same Cornell. HOWEVER, rankings, especially US News, DO CARE about the stats that some of you seem to deem irrelevant, and as flawed as the rankings are, they DO affect the perception of colleges to the general public. And in time, as other colleges become more selective than Cornell, they will eventually overtake it. All leading to a continual decrease in prestige and ranking until Cornell does something about it.</p>
<p>As much as you think the opinions of high school students don’t matter, decreases in rank do affect their perception and the quality of people that apply and matriculate to Cornell, and in due time will have a negative impact on Cornell. </p>
<p>Bottom line: As I have been continually saying…Cornell needs to start playing the rankings game (just like the other top schools), and a good way to start would be to increase the selectivity of the state schools.</p>
<p>^there is no “need to start playing the rankings game”
Cornell has a great ranking. End of story.</p>
<p>Bottom line: if you don’t like Cornell, don’t go there. Don’t even post on this forum just to bash it. On the other hand, if you love Cornell and want to go there, just know that Cornell is amazing and that others like you (e.g. me) think the same way about the school 
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<p>I applied RD to CAS this year.</p>
<p>@rainbow - good luck to you. hope you get into CAS, it seems like a great college at cornell.
p.s. never bashed cornell - I think its a great University. the only issue here, if you read through the threads is are the state contract colleges and the issue with how they affect cornell’s regular endowed colleges like cas and engineering. the other issue here is why is it that here on cc it is only Cornell that has these kinds of threads with students questioning whether the school is prestigious enough. do you think that is because of the state colleges at cornell or something else. interesting that none of the other ivys or top schools have threads with people needing to justify their school or anything like that. its hard to figure out.</p>
<p>I’m not sure, but a lot of people dislike the colleges that are affiliated with NY ): I see nothing wrong with that, but many think that they aren’t as prestigious.</p>
<p>It is hard to figure out, though. I think it’s kind of sad, really.</p>
<p>Also, some ignorant people out there only believe in HYP and not the other Ivies. I can’t understand that, either. I applied to Dartmouth this year, and some people didn’t even know what that was. They asked me “is that a good school? Is that, like, an Ivy League?” I was like LOL. My friend who applied to UPenn got worse reactions. They didn’t even believe her when she told them that it was an Ivy. A lot of people only think HYP when they hear “Ivy League”.</p>
<p>In almost every case, it’s not Cornellians who start these threads. Universityin2015, you started this thread. And you wonder why there are these threads! Chicago [■■■■■] baby started another. Just have to laugh…</p>
<p>^actually, Chicago2014Baby started this thread. He/she is a gigantic ■■■■■.
Ugh. ■■■■■■ are so annoying.</p>
<p>“elite=wealthiest, most educated people in America basically like Westchester County…”</p>
<p>I live in Westchester County, Cornell is a highly regarded destination from my kids’ high school, and is well represented in the parent body as well. There is a hugely active alumni body in the area.</p>
<p>COrnell is highly regarded here.</p>
<p>Ok, you people might look at the Elites as an overly wealthy group of people who meet on onehundred and ninety foot yachts with caviar and Moet & Chandon, and I can say, that realistically, you people over think this. For one thing, Moet & Chandon sucks and is cheap. Two, oil prices are rising, so nobody bothers using yachts. But more importantly, people really don’t sit around talking about this all day, yes, I can attest. I’ve had the traditional “Oooh, where are you applying to school?” question asked to me by what must be now a few hundred “elites” by anybody’s standard, I can honestly attest that responding Cornell has about the same reaction as Columbia, or even Yale to most people. Obviously, Harvard’s just something else, they spent billions to build that brand, and they treasure it, as they ought to. However, don’t bother trying to knock Cornell, everybody, all the “Elites” know it’s still hard as nails, and frankly, a lot of them had even more respect for it because of the horror stories about Ithaca… So don’t get down on Cornell, if you can survive it there, you can do it anywhere.</p>
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<p>I disagree. The OP asked in this thread why he perceives that “elites” have a lower impression of Cornell than “commoners” (I feel so Europe circa 1500). I answered that question directly.</p>
<p>Also - regarding another point about these conversations only happening at Cornell, you’ll find many of these discussions at Brown, as they’ve picked up the back end of the Ivies for some time now in the rankings and are having a bit of an identity crisis. Duke is constantly trying to establish itself as a top 5 school by pushing down others. Columbia and UPenn used to be racked with insecurities but have risen to a comfortable locale so have quieted down as of late. </p>
<p>It’s just the silly games bored rich kids play to entertain themselves.</p>
<p>there are current threads about this kind of insecurity at Brown or anywhere else?
I did not see those posts in any recent threads, for any Ivy or any of the top schools
Brown U. has some seriously selective stats in recent years, almost on par with HYPS
anyway, I see your point.
have a very nice evening.</p>