Cornell Rocks! This Place Is Awesome!

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<p>Congratulations on getting into Cornell. I'm sorry Penn rejected you. It's natural to feel some animosity but I'm sure you'll be over it soon.</p>

<p>Anyways, am I the only one who finds squabbling about how such and such school is better than some other school (on both sides) a bit petty? Let's just accept that every school has their strengths and weaknesses and that where you end up in life will depend mostly on your own determination and effort, rather than some arbitrary ranking by some over-hyped organization. I mean, everyone knows someone with an Ivy degree who ends up working at Starbucks for a living while some guy from Podunk Community College is rolling in the dough.</p>

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<p>"US News Rankings
Undergraduate:
Penn-5th, Cornell-12th
Business:
Penn-3rd, Cornell-14th
Law:
Penn-6th, Cornell-13th
Medicine:
Penn-3rd, Cornell-15th
Education:
Penn-11th, Cornell-44th"</p>

<p>this is all good, but i could just as well pull out how cornell tops penn in other areas such as vet medicine, engineering, physics, etc, etc. </p>

<p>"Besides, if you're anyone who knows a thing or two about the college game, you wouldn't care about rankings."</p>

<p>no matter what you think about rankings, you can't ignore the fact that a huge percentage of prospective students look at rankings when it comes to choosing which schools to apply to.</p>

<p>--now, don't get me wrong. i do not mean to bash penn, as i know that it is a great school. the reason for me posting in the first place was to provide a different perspective set by the post: "why, with Penn consistently ranked as a better academic institution than Cornell." in doing so, i point out that upenn doesn't receive higher rankings than cornell in many programs (just as cornell doesn't receive higher rankings than upenn in many programs). also, the key part of my argument, that cornell consistently ranks higher than upenn when it comes to ranking international universities.</p>

<p>does this mean that cornell is a better university than upenn? or that upenn is a better university than cornell? no! and that's not something i said. i merely provide a counter argument to an earlier post.</p>

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<p>I think mrsopresident is talking about this ranking, not the U.S. News one:</p>

<p><a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Cornell is great for vet school. Agreed.</p>

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<p>Cornell is great for vet school. Agreed.</p>

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"this is all good, but i could just as well pull out how cornell tops penn in other areas such as vet medicine, engineering, physics, etc, etc."

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<p>first of all, clarify on the "ect, etc." try to name something significant</p>

<p>mrsopresident....you seem to be very defensive about cornell (perhaps you go there.) I looked at and compared most of the programs (including all that are in rankings) and crappy things like vet medicine and other individual subject areas are the only things that cornell is better in. Overall as an institution (and as separate schools), Penn is much better. Cornell may be higher in engineering, but engineering has never been the Ivy League's strongest offering (ex. Harvard is ranked 23rd, Yale is ranked 37th, Princeton is ranked 18th). Besides, Cornell is only ranked 10th in engineering. Not exactly amazing or stellar in the first place, especially compared to the engineering powerhouses like MIT or Caltech. On the other hand, Penn tends to really excel in many areas (top 3 or 5 in many)</p>

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<p>"crappy things like vet medicine"</p>

<p>well, i wouldn't exactly call vet medicine "crappy," and i know for a fact that upenn takes pride in its vet program. also, if you do not call engineering and physics "significant," then there is really not much more i can do. but that etc, etc, could have been referring to architecture, it could have been referring to creative writing...i don't exactly have a subscription to usnews and so can not look up cornell's standing in every area.</p>

<p>"you seem to be very defensive about cornell"</p>

<p>gee, i would have to say the same thing about you and upenn, preMEDguy312.</p>

<p>"Cornell is only ranked 10th in engineering"</p>

<p>is this supposed to be insulting? also the fact that ivy league institutions have not historically done well in engineering rankings takes nothing away nor does it add any glamor to cornell's ranking. (remember i did not start this about which school is better. i did not start this as a "battle of the ivies." all i am doing [or at least what i started to do] was to poke holes in the statement that 'Penn consistently ranked as a better academic institution than Cornell.' this i did by referring to information used in the rankings system (usnews) that places many upenn programs above cornell, as well as referring to the fact that many international rankings support my argument).</p>

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"well, i wouldn't exactly call vet medicine "crappy," and i know for a fact that upenn takes pride in its vet program. also, if you do not call engineering and physics "significant," then there is really not much more i can do. but that etc, etc, could have been referring to architecture, it could have been referring to creative writing...i don't exactly have a subscription to usnews and so can not look up cornell's standing in every area."

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<p>heheh mrsopresident, calm down. just relax, take a deep breath. Your anger seems to be seeping out. Penn's vet program may be pretty good, but it's not one of the greatest fortes of the institution itself (like wharton, for ex.) What I am basically saying is that Cornell is only better than Penn in a handful of individual subjects, not entire schools (ex. business, law, med)</p>

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"Cornell is only ranked 10th in engineering"</p>

<p>is this supposed to be insulting?

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<p>umm... you're an idiot. I'm sorry. but you really are. there isn't a hint of any such intent in my prior post.</p>

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"the fact that ivy league institutions have not historically done well in engineering rankings takes nothing away nor does it add any glamor to cornell's ranking."

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<p>I never said it retracts any glamor to Cornell's ranking, you moron. I simply said that a rank of number 10 isn't stellar or exceptionally spectacular in any way. Read my post carefully, you idiot.</p>

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"...poke holes in the statement that 'Penn consistently ranked as a better academic institution than Cornell.' this i did by referring to information used in the rankings system (usnews) that places many upenn programs above cornell...

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<p>uhhh....please think before you say(or type) anything.</p>

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"as well as referring to the fact that many international rankings support my argument"

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<p>You haven't supplied any solid information or statistics from international rankings.</p>

<p>Here is an international/global ranking that I found. From a respectable source. Wharton's been number 1 for quite a while. Cornell has been around 30.</p>

<p><a href="http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://rankings.ft.com/rankings/mba/rankings.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I have looked up individual subjects and will list them below</p>

<p>Only top 10 are ranked by US News</p>

<p>Accounting:
Penn-2, Cornell-not top 10
Entrepreneurship:
Penn-4, Cornell-not top 10
Executive MBA:
Penn-2, Cornell-not top 10
Finance:
Penn-1, Cornell-not top 10
Information Systems:
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10
International:
Penn-3, Cornell-not top 10
Management
Penn-5, Cornell-not top 10
Marketing
Penn-2, Cornell-not top 10
Productions/Operations
Penn-5, Cornell-not top 10
Supply Chain/Logistics
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10
Biomedical/Bioengineering
Penn-6, Cornell-not top 10
Drugs/Alcohol Abuse Education
Penn-6, Cornell-not top 10
Internal Medicine
Penn-4, Cornell-not top 10
Pediatrics
Penn-1, Cornell-not top 10
Women's Health
Penn-3, Cornell-not top 10
Clinical Psychology
Penn-10, Cornell-not top 10
Healthcare Management
Penn-4, Cornell-not top 10
Nursing
Penn- 3, Cornell-not top 10
Adult/Medical-Surgical Specialty
Penn- 5, Cornell-not top 10
Psychiatric/Mental Health
Penn- 2, Cornell-not top 10
Adult Nurse Practitioner
Penn-1, Cornell-not top 10
Family Nurse Practitioner
Penn-3, Cornell-not top 10
Gerontological/Geriatric
Penn-1, Cornell-not top 10
Pediatric Nurse Practitioner
Penn-1, Cornell-not top 10
Nursing Service Administration
Penn-2, Cornell-not top 10
Midwifery
Penn-2, Cornell-not top 10
Development Economics
Penn-7, Cornell-10
Industrial Organization
Penn-9, Cornell-not top 10
Labor Economics
Penn-9, Cornell-not top 10
Macroeconomics
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10
Microeconomics
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10
Public Finance
Penn-9, Cornell-not top 10
American Literature (post 1865)
Penn-10, Cornell-not top 10
American Literature (pre 1865)
Penn- 10, Cornell-not top 10
Medieval/Renaissance Literature
Penn-5, Cornell-9
Modern US History
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10
US Colonial History
Penn-3, Cornell-not top 10
Experimental Psychology
Penn-9, Cornell-not top 10
Sociology of Population
Penn-7, Cornell-not top 10</p>

<p>Heheh here's the veterinary rankings.(compared to med/nursing rankings, not many people would stress too much over vet rankings-not that Penn is bad in any way)</p>

<p>Veterinary Medicine
Penn-4, Cornell-1</p>

<p>Honestly, I could only find a small number of things in which Cornell ranks higher than Penn. At least in terms of rankings, Penn seems to be a much better institution as a whole.</p>

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<p>"umm... you're an idiot. I'm sorry. but you really are. there isn't a hint of any such intent in my prior post."</p>

<p>"I never said it retracts any glamor to Cornell's ranking, you moron"</p>

<p>and so you retreat to baseless name-calling...i can see that i'm getting to you. </p>

<p>"Here is an international/global ranking that I found. From a respectable source. Wharton's been number 1 for quite a while. Cornell has been around 30."</p>

<p>hey, i am not bashing upenn (a point i already made). and i never downplayed upenn's remarkable performance in the world of business.
but, responding to your earlier statement (and i apologize for not citing an international ranking that places cornell as a whole above upenn), here are two sources, and i'm am compiling other lists now as well.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2006/top_200_universities/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2006/top_200_universities/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2007/ARWU2007_Top100.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>now, you bring up an interesting point that cornell only surpasses upenn in several programs but not many schools. however, my response to that is i already listed several schools (3 to your 4--i don't see a big difference) that cornell has that are ranked higher than upenn's schools/programs in the same field--engineering, veterinary medicine, and architecture (although i don't believe upenn has an architecture school per se).</p>

<p>additionally, cornell has schools in fields that upenn does not have, as upenn has schools in fields that cornell does not have. i.e. nursing, vs. hotel adm vs. ilr, etc. now you might bring up that this has nothing to do with the argument at hand as, at least for comparative sake, as upenn does not have such programs to be compared to cornell with. but, my argument is, is that these programs undoubtedly add to the factors increasing cornell's international ranking over upenn by many rankings systems.</p>

<p>i'm really sorry that you've become irrational with this, as i was enjoying a seemingly intellectually-orientated debate. this will be the last post i make to this thread as things have gotten out of hand here. but, i leave on a positive note, wishing you success at the University of Pennsylvania, indeed one of the country's and the world's great institutions of higher learning!</p>

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<p>this thread reeks Penn fanboyism.</p>

<p>/putting penn fanboy flame shield
/runs</p>

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<p>Both are of course excellent schools and clearly Wharton is much superior in all aspects of business. However, according to the Gourman report (ranking of undergraduate departments), Cornell has a stronger department in history, chemistry, physics, computer science, mathematics, poly sci, english, molecular biology and a number of languages and Penn is stronger in economics, anthropology, linguistics and psychology. My real point is that they are both excellent and a case can certainly be made for Cornell CAS being the equal of Penn SAS.</p>

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"and so you retreat to baseless name-calling...i can see that i'm getting to you."

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<p>Lol...It's not baseless name calling. I am simply making an objective remark based on your foolish remarks and responses. As you have mentioned. Penn doesn't have a school of architecture. So you can't compare that of Penn/Cornell. Secondly, Penn's med/law/business schools are much better than those of Cornell. Penn's vet school is 4th, which isn't exactly very far away from 1st. On the other hand, Penn's other schools are much higher in rankings than cornell. (ex. undergraduate- 5th vs 12th, business- 3rd vs 14th, law-6th vs 13th, medicine 3rd vs. 15th, education-11th vs 44th.) And I already said that Cornell is better at engineering, although it's still not spectacular. Whereas, Penn's stronger programs/schools tend to truly excel in their field. I was simply referring to programs/schools that both schools have. It doesn't make much sense to compare programs that don't really exist at one institution.</p>

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"i'm really sorry that you've become irrational with this, as i was enjoying a seemingly intellectually-orientated debate."

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<p>A "seemingly intellectually-oriented" debate? heheh. Your comparisons and contrasts are simply not in a level or even context/scope.</p>

<p>Please read my post again, where I "baseless[ly] name-called" you. My tone wasn't one of anger, but more one of blithe condescension. As I am happy with where I'm going, I have no reason to be jealous or averse to other schools or institutions like Cornell.</p>

<p>Btw, here is MSNBC Newsweek's rankings (which caught a lot of attention.)</p>

<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14321230/site/newsweek/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>As I have already mentioned, global rankings place a great deal of weight on research output. As a result, they may not accurately reflect or rank the institutions' quality of actual instruction/teaching. Penn has been doing a lot to increase research, and as a result has been climbing up the ranks.</p>

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"However, according to the Gourman report (ranking of undergraduate departments)"

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<p>Midatlmom, that's very interesting to know. But I was analyzing the institution as a whole, of which the Undergrad school is only a part.</p>

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"a case can certainly be made for Cornell CAS being the equal of Penn SAS."

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<p>I agree. Cornell CAS can arguably be on the same plane as Penn SAS.</p>

<p>Sigh... it's obvious that both are top-notch institutions. But I just wanted to get down to each aspect. I wonder if Dulce knew his thread would turn out this way.</p>

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<p>Oh yeah. Cornell is better than Penn in ice hockey.
My professors are great!</p>

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<p>And Penn is better at basketball and football (the two sports that count).</p>

<p>and premedguy should just stop talking.</p>

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<p>You people can not be serious...Cornell and Penn..who cares?? They are the worst ivies anyway!</p>

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<p>I move in tomorrow so it's time for me to start thinking bigger than "my grandma could beat your grandma." It was fun and I respect everyone's opinion (if that makes any sense). At this point it's not about which school one goes to, because both Cornell and UPenn are most competitive schools, but rather which students can become standouts at their schools. Good luck, everyone.</p>

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<p>Exactly. Come on now, it's not the school, it's how you use it.</p>

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<p>Yep, there is no doubt that Penn once had the reputation of being the doormat of the Ivies</p>

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<p>Corneel is now the HOTTEST IVY, according to Newsweek</p>