<p>Basically, found these two articles that talks about how Cornell has fallen behind the rest of the Ivy's in terms of ranks, scores, and percentages.</p>
<p>What do you guys think of this? I've wanted to go to Cornell my whole life, and I've always thought of it as being one of the best schools in the country. I want to know what people think of Cornell's image, and if you think it really is a notch below the rest of the Ivy League schools now.</p>
<p>Also, I'm surprised at the statistics accepted people have been posting. I've been thinking that my credentials were almost "too high" for Cornell, as they are reported by prineton review, usnews, etc, to the point where I didn't even want to take my SAT's a second time becuase it would make me feel like I fit in less, or that i could have done better. But according to most people's posts, I'd say that I fit right in. I'm glad to see that some of the "most competetive" students still want to go to Cornell, and makes me feel like a made a good decision by choosing to apply early.</p>
<p>Even if it is ranked lower than the other Ivy League schools, it is still one of the best schools in the country. The students who go to Cornell are all very bright and I think that any of the "most competitive" students can fit in very well there. Everyone who goes to Cornell knows the amount of work that they face, and I know friends at top universities around the country, and they all recognize how hard it is to be a student at Cornell. That said, students who go there can find reward in their work.</p>
<p>I wouldn't believe the rankings too much. In fact, last year Brown was lower than Cornell. It changes all the time. And despite the fact that Cornell may be "lower" than the other ivies, like hyp, numerous professionals have told me that in a pool of job applicants where cornellians and students from harvard, etc, are present, usually they take the successful cornellians just because their grades are more accurate, and success at cornell is more difficult than at the others (since harvard, for example, has major grade inflation). I've also heard from many sources that speaking strictly on academic terms, Cornell is one of the strongest ivies academically.</p>
<p>Personally, it makes me feel like everything I've worked for to get into Cornell is degraded. One of the reasons I wanted to go to Cornell is b/c it is big. That way, I meet different types of people. They should applaud Cornell for allowing this rather than pummel them.
And there is a reason why Cornell is the "easiest to get into" and the "hardest school to get out of"--they really challenge you. Not the other Ivies dont, but Cornell's grade curve is not as generous as the others.
Grr.. it makes me angry.</p>
<p>I think our image is just fine. There are many people here who realize that rankings don't correlate with academics, and I personally know quite a few people who got into other Ivies AND/OR MIT/Stanford/Caltech who are here.</p>
<p>i think ranking only matters to parents and hs kids, post-college, it's the experiences they had with alums that really matter -- a bad experience with a cornell alum will in future yrs be hard for a cornell grad to get a job there, and vice versa. even my psych teacher (segal) said for psych grad, we only need a 3.3 to get into a good grad school, whereas most would need 3.8 (he seriously said they add .5 to a cornell gpa) so that says a lot about cornell rather than some ranking.</p>
<p>i think cornell is a fantastic school. period. it is not for everyone as nothing is, but its unique size and location--and dynamic as a result of it--is unparalleled in the ivy league. in all honesty, its selectivity is not as high as most of the other ivies, but it is nonetheless very difficult to get in and one should be proud to go to cornell.</p>
<p>you will all have great careers/lives/ and the respect from peers that you want by being a cornellian. selectivity does not equal a good fit, and cornell is selective enough that you should be choosing based on which school you like the most, in any case.</p>
<p>Exactly Justice, I agree 100%. The reason I did ED to Cornell and not EA to Harvard was mainly because its a better fit for me. At any rate, I'm really excited to be attending next fall.</p>
<p>Cornell is the science Ivy, along with Princeton. If your intend to major in the sciences and engineering and wants an Ivy league experience, this is the place you should seriously consider. The other Ivy's are great for humanities and liberal arts or business.
As for image, your original question, Cornell is just fine. To prove my point, who but a Cornell professor is leading the Mars Rover science team ?</p>
<p>As for lower SAT scores, it's really not. Cornell has more seats to fill and also because the new york affiliated schools allow more flexibility in scores. The rest of the schools at Cornell is as competitive as other Ivy's. Cornell grads in sciences / Eng are favorably recruited.</p>
<p>AJKates, I had the EXACT same worry as you...that I'd deal with a "weaker" class because all of my stats were well above the Cornell averages...but talking to grads, professors, and doing some random research has shown me that Cornell isn't a lesser school than the other Ivies, just different. It is the large class size that appeals to me--I hope to meet a larger and more diverse group of people. I've always figured that Cornell students are those motiviated by working hard and succeeding just to succeed, not doing what they do for prestige.</p>
<p>lol...It's funny that BOTH articles attack Washington University in St. Louis...with the tone of "how the heck did that school beat Cornell?!?!"</p>
<p>Here are my stats: SATI 1550/800/800/780 SAT II's, 3.98 UW GPA</p>
<p>I've had to work my @$$ off and I'm potentially only going to have around a 3.7 cumulative GPA by the end of this semester. Cornell is no cakewalk for ANYONE. SAT scores are overrated. Cornell students are extremely studious and astute as I'm sure you guys will learn quickly.</p>
<p>Right, to add to the point of norcal above, it's been shown many times SATs correlate much less than grades do with success in university (and afterwards). So don't take the "low scores" as a sign it will be easy here :). Our reputation is not obtained through the grumblings of "inferior" people!</p>
<p>(Myself: I: 770/740, II: 800/790/750, and having a hell of a tough time here!)</p>
<p>I think name-wise, it's better than most of the other ivies (except maybe harvard and princeton)....in the numbers of people that recognize it. A lot of people on the west coast think columbia is a country, and they've barely heard of brown/dartmouth....so I don't know, stats wise Cornell seems easier to get accepted at, but they still only admit ivy-potential students. Think of it this way, Oxford is easier to get into than Cornell, but Oxford still has the name!</p>
<p>ranking are half subjective. i saw a ranking that showed university of rochester's engineering place in the top five, higher than both MIT and stanford. uh... that was so messed up</p>
<p>You have to realzie whyCornell is where it is in the rankings..some schoool solely cater to the US News rankings..we were #6 for years ago ..we couldn't have dropped to 14 a few years later because the caliber of students got worse, US News just changed its ranking formula. You have to realzie that schools like Wash U on every other ranking is not even in the top 50...the reason tehy are where they are is because, as you may or may not know..they send thousadns of pieces of mail to unqualified students to get them to apply and then that lowers their acceptance rate..its aa known fact..that school is a joke among the ivies and a joke in the business world...no one cares about that ridiculous school...it carries no weight and has no reputation....Cornel was recently ranked ahead of Penn Brown and Dartmouth in an international university ranking...so seiroulsy..rankings dont matter..within a year we will be in top 10 and then bounce back out again..tahts how rankings work..it depends on an arbitrary formula...but Wash U suxx..trust me</p>
<p>Listen, I have been an ivy league student at Cornell for three years now and have been through many job interviews..the only peopel who truly respect that school are the students in Wash U and US News..it is certainly not a Cornell, and ask any other ivy league student and they will tell you it is a joke...yes, the students may be smart..but it has little national and international recognition...that is a fact.</p>
<p>Washu is not a cornell...that's for certain. Even if USNews ranked Cornell bottom 100 and washu in top 3, it wouldn't come close to Cornell in my opinion.</p>