Could you guys rank the BIG TEN

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<p>The S/F ratios quoted are all over the map and may or may not include all faculty. For one thing they don't include grad students. I gave the official counts right from the websites. If NU want to load up on medical faculty that's their choice. Since that is where most research funding is they should be doing better in that regard. Why give secondary sources--just because you don't like the results??</p>

<p>I granted NU has better average students--that is not the argument. I also see you did not list the Goldwater winners--I guess the fact that UW had 21 since 2000 did not fit your argument. In the real world UW has passed Harvard for producing the most CEO's at major companies. It has more people go into the Peace Corp and Teach for America programs than any school most years. How many NU grads have won Nobel prizes? UW has 12. 11 faculty have won the National Medal of Science.
So give UW a little credit. They have done much to improve life in the US and the world from inventing one of the world's greatest life-saving drugs (Warfarin) to isolating the first stem cell lines (for which the own most of the major patents--screw you California) to having alums who basically invented integrated circuits.</p>

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<p>Also even the President of NU cited NAS membership as the standard for outstanding faculty</p>

<p>"Now if I could just take a few moments to share with you some of my thoughts on the direction for the University. I believe that we have an unusual opportunity in the next five to 10 years to take Northwestern to the truly highest level of student and faculty excellence, placing it among the very best universities in the country. To be sure, doing so will not be an easy task -- incremental gains at this level are both difficult and expensive. If we want National Academy of Science members on our faculty, we must make investments in salaries and facilities. If we want to attract the best graduate students, we need to rethink how we can better fund graduate education. If we want to prepare graduates of all our schools for productive work in the 21st century, we need to provide the technology that will equip them for doing so. In short, we must now make the investments for change that will allow us to meet the challenges of the coming years."</p>

<p><a href="http://www.northwestern.edu/president/addresses/97state-of-univ.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.northwestern.edu/president/addresses/97state-of-univ.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>Ah.. yes</p>

<p>NW is a fine institution, don’t get me wrong. I even ranked it right with the great schools like Michigan (overall strengths), Wisconsin (fabulous LA/social sciences), and UIUC (a true engineering titan).</p>

<p>However, for graduate programs, NW appears to be a little weak, in terms of faculty strength/research, publications, graduate students etc compared with other three research-oriented universities, except business & communication (Medill).</p>

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research does not equal ... faculty quality

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Have you discuss that with your professors?</p>

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<p>you guys are delusional, when you for a job interview one day, see if ur employer or a grad school admission board is gonna be more impressed with Wisconsin or Illinois or Michigan over Northwestern</p>

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And to say that UW's grad school is better than NU's--again, this is ridiculous. You'd have to evaluate program-by-program.

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True ... but Wisconsin wins in having more higher ranked programs. Here is the head-to-head comparison based on US News graduate ranking:</p>

<p>Program ..... Wisc .. NU</p>

<p>Business ...... 37 .... 4
Engineering .. 15 .... 21
Law ............ 32 ... 10
Med Research 26 .. 20
Med PrimCare.. 4 ... 54
Math ........... 13 ... 21
Comp Sci ...... 10 ... 42
Bio Sci ......... 12 ... 36
Chemistry ..... 8 .... 12
Physics ........ 16 ... 28
Geology ........ 17 ... NR
Economics .... 11 .... 8
English ......... 16 ... 19
History ......... 11 ... 17
Poli Sci ......... 16 ... 21
Public Affairs .. 17 ... NR
Psychology ..... 9 .... 22
Sociology ....... 1 .... 11
Clinical Psyc .... 2 .... 11
Nursing .......... 19 ... NR
Pharmacy ....... 11 ... NR
Phys Therapy .. 40 ... 10
Social Work ..... 10 ... NR
Vet Medicine .... 8 .... NR
Education ........ 9 ..... 6</p>

<p>And if you compare NU with Michigan, the difference will be even larger.</p>

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<p>DOes anyone know rankings in history, politcal science and economics for these big ten schools: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota.</p>

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<p>Simba the mif 50% ACT range is 27-31 at Michigan, vs 29-33 at Northwestern. Again, the advantage goes to NU, but we aren't talking about night and day differences, and the gap is narrowing.</p>

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<p>Keep in mind that those are purely graduate rankings. Undergraduate ratings may differe slightly.</p>

<p>ECONOMICS:</p>

<h1>11 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>

<h1>11 University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>

<h1>15 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities</h1>

<h1>36 Indiana University-Bloomington</h1>

<h1>36 Purdue University-West Lafayette</h1>

<p>HISTORY</p>

<h1>7 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>

<h1>11 University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>

<h1>19 Indiana University-Bloomington</h1>

<h1>22 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities</h1>

<h1>68 Purdue University-West Lafayette</h1>

<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE</p>

<h1>3 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>

<h1>16 UNiversity of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>

<h1>18 University of Minnesota-Twin Cities</h1>

<h1>25 Indiana University-Bloomington</h1>

<p>NR Purdue University-West Lafayette</p>

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<p>"TOWN (location, atmosphere, safety, local population)</p>

<h1>1 Chicago</h1>

<h1>1 Michigan</h1>

<h1>1 Northwestern</h1>

<h1>1 Wisconsin</h1>

<h1>5 Indiana</h1>

<h1>5 Minnesota</h1>

<h1>7 Michigan State</h1>

<h1>8 Ohio State</h1>

<h1>8 Penn State</h1>

<h1>8 UIUC</h1>

<h1>11 Iowa</h1>

<h1>11 Purdue"</h1>

<p>How is E. Lansing better than Columbus? East Lansing is awful.</p>

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<p>I have only been to Columbis twice...didn't like it either time. It is a big city, but I found it to be depressing.</p>

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<p>For undergrad studies (in most fields), Northwestern is the clear winner. Grad study is definitely more competitive, but using all these convoluted stats to try to put Michigan or Wisconsin above NU for undergrad is pretty silly.</p>

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<p>I used to live near Columbus and have been there several times. I don't like it either. It's a not a great place...</p>

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I completely agree with you. I do believe the University of Michigan can be overrated at times. Maybe I'm just sick of hearing about it all the time...being from MI and all.</p>

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<p>KK, Northwestern and Michigan are pretty equal at the undergraduate level. Both get the same respect from graduate school admissions committees and exclusive companies' recruiters. To differentiate between the two is pointless.</p>

<p>And I do not recall using "convoluted" stats to prove that Michigan is better than Northwestern. I have always maintained that those two schools are peers.</p>

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<p>“Both get the same respect from graduate school admissions committees and exclusive companies' recruiters. To differentiate between the two is pointless.”</p>

<p>Now I’m not going to start a whole argument on this. I’ll just make it known that I REALLY don’t think this is true. I shall say, however, that I only believe this based on my experiences. If you have any proof of this, then I would be more than happy to yield my objections to it.</p>

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<p>Your opinion is yours to cherish. The reality and the facts back me up on this one...considerably and unquestionably.</p>

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<p>“The reality and the facts back me up on this one...considerably and unquestionably.”</p>

<p>Reality is subjective. As for the facts, like I said, if you would like to provide said facts, I would not only yield my objection to your argument, but I would probably be inclined to agree with you. Until that time, your opinion is just as mine: yours to cherish.</p>

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<p>He's already shown the WSJ graduate feeder rankings, the peer assessment scores, and the test score ranges of the people, what else are you looking for?</p>

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I guess the fact that UW had 21 since 2000 did not fit your argument. In the real world UW has passed Harvard for producing the most CEO's at major companies. It has more people go into the Peace Corp and Teach for America programs than any school most years. How many NU grads have won Nobel prizes? UW has 12.

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<p>The reason I didn't list Goldwater is because it's not as prestigious as the British ones I listed. The award is nothing when compared to those offered by Rhodes/Marshall/Gates. Do you really think an award of $7500 tuition/books expense means all that much to an average NU student when the total expense is like 40K a year? And a place in Cambridge/Oxford is not included! </p>

<p>But when looking at #winners of the most prestigious scholarships (apparently the British ones), NU has had significantly more. The difference would be even more striking when student population is taken into consideration. </p>

<p>As for producing the most CEO's. Well, actually when normalized by student population, it's way lower than Harvard (it's sure nice to think otherwise when cheating a little..sorry to burst the bubble...lol!) and is probably below NU. NU has 5, does UW has 20? I recall the number is 15.</p>

<p>As for #grads doing Peace Corps and Teach for America, you should again take the huge UW student population into account for fair comparison with other schools (UW is 4x the size of NU). </p>

<p>All those numbers of graduate rankings and # NAS professors are measure of faculty. Since when are we comparing faculty? With that said, Goblue, please note that NU doesn't have Social Work/Vet Medicine/Nursing/Pharmacy/Public Affairs programs, so that's not exactly "head-to-head" comparison. I hope you are not listing those just to make NU look worse. </p>

<p>Better faculty doesn't translate to award-winning UNDERGRAD students or academic experience. The fact that UW has NOBODY winning Rhodes/Marshall/Gates since 2001 may be a sign that the environment for undergrad research isn't as nurturing as NU. It's not surprising if that's the case because the faculty/student ratio at NU is much better.</p>

<p>List of undergrad recruiting by top consulting firms and placement of top professional schools show that NU wins. Data like these to me better reflect the undergrad academics than #NAS among the faculty! In those, NU is a clear winner.</p>

<p>Honestly, I still think this whole debate is absurd to begin with. Since when Wisc is considered peer of NU at the undergrad level? Am I in a different universe? NU vs Michigan would be a much better debate topic though I pretty much think they are about equal.</p>