<p>omfggggggggggggggg</p>
<p>Who cares??? </p>
<p>Penn’s International reputation doesn’t depend on your opinion. Nothing in this thread will change or prove anything. This discussion is a waste of time and space…just stop…</p>
<p>dont waste your time with jomjom ive seen some of his posts on the princeton board and he just ■■■■■■ everywhere.</p>
<p>jomjom must be an Ivy reject lulz</p>
<p>if u want to look for founders of famous companies spend like 2 minutes on wikipedia reading wharton alumni lists</p>
<p>and dude we have michael milken so ■■■■</p>
<p>^^ pokemans stated it perfectly. Penn is a great school, but its international reputation pales in comparison with the other ivies. I’m talking about when you ask ordinary people off the street (of course educated people would know about Penn).</p>
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<p>Who is he ??? general public doesn’t know him…
and wiki states that he went WHARTON not UPENN… WHARTON graduates never say they went UPenn… and that actually hurts the reputation of UPenn…
Why do you think WHARTON gradutates don’t mention Upenn ?</p>
<p>Everyone knows Bill Gates Obama Kennedy Warren Buffet… and know where they went to school…</p>
<p>Give me 5 UPenn graduates (who received degree) who are as famous as these people…</p>
<p><em>facepalm</em> can u go ■■■■■ somewhere else? Please?</p>
<p>I agree with the above statement 
seriously, I don’t get you, jomjom. Don’t you have something better to do than ■■■■■■■■ on the forum of a college you are criticizing but can’t even get into?…go away and take your resentment somewhere else. I’m kinda getting peeved at how idiotic your arguments have become.</p>
<p>jomjom, the “general public” has no idea where any famous person went to school, therefore it has no bearing on the general public’s perception of a school’s “prestige”</p>
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<p>That is definitely not true. Penn’s domestic reputation amongst the uninformed general public is not very strong. However, its international reputation is better than Brown, Cornell, or Dartmouth’s. Cornell may be comparable, but Brown and Dartmouth have close to no international reputation. Look at international ranking tables</p>
<p><a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THES_-_QS_World_University_Rankings[/url]”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/THES_-_QS_World_University_Rankings</a>
<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm[/url]”>http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm</a></p>
<p>International prestige is based mostly on grad school rankings because internationals usually come to the U.S. for a Master’s or Ph.d.</p>
<p>Warren buffet.</p>
<p>Jomjom - the general public, in actual surveys, is far more likely to name a stellar football program than a stellar academic program. So, what’s your point?</p>
<p>You’re making up silly rules about Nobel Prize winners and richest people. I have nothing to do with Penn, but if you reallly think a school’s reputation rests on a few individuals rather than the research and work of thousands of individuals over many decades, then I would like to remind you that George W. Bush went to both Yale and Harvard on legacy.</p>
<p>They still maintain stellar reputations.</p>
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Warren Buffet is NOT UPenn graduate. He graduated froM Columbia</p>
<p>^^Buffett went to Wharton for 2 years before transferring to University of Nebraska. But I still don’t understand what point you’re trying to make with these “famous people.” Like I said, the general public has no idea where these people when to school, so it has no bearing on their perception of a school’s prestige. </p>
<p>jomjom, you’ve been called a ■■■■■ on just about every Ivy League forum. Is it possible that you are bitter because you were not accepted by a single one?</p>
<p>I’d keep it as it is. Penn’s reputation is fantastic, at least among those who matter (recruiters, etc.). Yeah, I’ve had to tell my friends on occasion that it’s not Penn State I’m interested in, but it’s no big deal.</p>
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<p>Penn’s international reputation is not great, but I can guarantee you it is better than Brown’s. Brown is very low on international rankings because it does not have many notable graduate programs</p>
<p>It terms of International prestige among laymen:
- Harvard
- Yale - a couple people might have heard about it.
- Even rarer, people will know Princeton.</p>
<p>That’s about it.</p>
<p>Among academics:
- Harvard
- Columbia/Penn/Yale
- Princeton/Cornell</p>
<p>Something like that. For some departments, Cornell will be on the top (for example, in Physics it’s easily on par Princeton/Harvard) whereas in something like English or Linguistics or Anthropology, Penn and Yale would be. Harvard, of course, is Harvard.</p>
<p>Proof: A rankings system that evaluates research depth, quality and output.
<a href=“http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf[/url]”>http://mup.asu.edu/research2006.pdf</a></p>
<p>I am in India (well actually at this moment I’m back in Philadelphia visiting home), and I can tell you that Penn is very well-known (not quite as much as Oxbridge, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, but ahead of Princeton, Brown, and Dartmouth, which are virtually unheard of).</p>
<p>Penn has a naming/branding problem, no doubt.
-It shares its name with a US state
-It has a name conflict with another school, which happens to a huge state university that has a very well-known athletic program. (There is a Cornell College and there are TWO Columbia Colleges, but they are unheard of in comparison to real Cornell and real Columbia)
-it has multiple names fracturing its identity (Penn, UPenn, Pennsylvania, Wharton)</p>
<p>This will not change anytime soon.</p>
<p>But it certainly does not suffer from a lack of preeminent students, scholars, and research output. This will also not be changing anytime soon.</p>
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What??? And you haven’t even called yet??? :eek:</p>
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. . . and alumni. 
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<p>Except to get even better (that whole “excellence to eminence” thing). :)</p>
<p>We all know that Penn is well known among those in the know, but even then it’s only known among those REALLY in the know. Not even educated people in some flagship state schools know Penn (most think of Penn State). We have to just admit that Penn suffers from a branding problem. Not that it matter to me much, but I really hate how such a great university is so under valued. The school is not just Wharton! Noam Chomsky graduated from Penn for crying out loud (the world’s premier intellectual). I am just surprised that the school doesn’t put as much effort into promoting it’s academic reputation abroad. </p>
<p>While we all agree that in the end all that matters is the people “in the know”, true prestige is measured in the layman’s recognition of a school. Sorry, had to say it.
Although I hear that in India Penn is really reputable.</p>