<p>@Consolation
Will my CR score completely wipe out my chances? It is still 10 more than the average for Dartmouth. If it is impossible to weigh the chances of an international, Where could I have lost out on when it comes to international competition? Assume I have more than made up for the 'shameful and abysmal ’ CR score through my essays. (I like to believe I am a damn good writer)</p>
<p>The worst part is to put your heart and soul into it and then realise the parameters that get you an ivy are completely different. Im too mentally exhausted now even to apply for the backup. I wish luck to those qualify. Thanks.</p>
<p>I kinda find it strange. i looked at ED applicant class of 2017 and there are so many posts!! here it seems people are quite cool…(which is a good thing)</p>
<p>psych, a 690 is close to the bottom, a territory occupied by recruited athletes, URMs, legacies, development admits: in other words, students with hooks. Look at these stats for the class of 2017:</p>
<p>SAT Critical Reading
25th Percentile 680
75th Percentile 780
% of Applicants % of Admitted Students Acceptance Rate
800 10.9% 31.6% 30.7%
700-790 37.1% 48.3% 13.8%
600-690 35.1% 15.4% 4.7%
500-590 13.3% 4.7% 3.8%
490 and below 3.5% 0% 0%</p>
<p>Notice that the acceptance rate for people in the 600- 690 bracket is 4.7%. Of course, you are on the cusp of the next bracket, where things look better, but there’s a big difference between a 690 and a 790. Note that about 80% of admitted students have scores above 690.</p>
<p>Of course, people with that score DO get it. t s just incredibly difficult to give you any realistic feedback as an international. (I’m sure that D admissions are well aware of the different cultural landscape in India, because they get a lot of applicants from India.)</p>
<p>@Consolation
The SAT scores are judged that independently? That is basically giving no credit to other two components of SAT. Yes, I understand cr score is not quite flattering. But that 4.7 percent argument is fallacious to my mathematical mind. You do have acknowledged that I am on the cusp of the next class of scores. But the miserly ‘non’-acceptance rate for the class 600-700 is largely attributed to the lower rung of scores is the same class. I wouldnt be dreaming of Dartmouth if I was a 610er in CR. It doesn’t say anything about the score of 690 itself.
However as you bring out, the acceptance number for the next class are not flattering either. So…</p>
<p>Moreover if this is to be a game of percentages among applicants, I see no reason why my other two components should not come into play. It would be safe to assume that zero percent applicants have a higher score in writing than me and I will say a 10 pecent do, in math. That number will be 80 as you point out for CR.
Effectively this is, 0,10,80
Consider a score with a lesser standard deviation with the same composite: 780,750, 740
The ‘percentage-of-people-higher’ number will look something like 10, 30, 50 which doesnt look too much better than the earlier set of values.
Yeah, CR can play a spoilsport because colleges give a special preference to it and that is when the above argument crashes.
I just want to convey, as my Dartmouth hopes plummet, people who have a chance should never rely too much on stats to predict chances. Statistics like bikinis, hide and reveal at the same time. :D</p>
<p>@Psych
Ivy Admissions are a complete crap-shoot. The colleges are flooded with so many qualified applicants that most of these students are denied. It is not because they aren’t good enough objectively to get in, its that the various schools have different criteria for who they admit and what profile they want create in any given year. It’s the classic, “it’s not you, it’s me.”
You can be optimistic, but I wouldn’t recommend it. I don’t see how expecting to get in could lead to anything but disappointment at an Ivy.
With that being said, you and I have as good a chance as most of the applicant pool; unfortunately, that chance is about 10%
Good luck Psych and everyone else!</p>
<p>Mcwkill, that is true. I was never optimistic. I just said that my hopes have plummeted. Kind of hard to expect someone else’s chances too, given you do not have access to other guy’s essays, recos, research papers and other criteria, that matter the most.
Not right to get disheartened, if you are good enough - law of averages suggests, at least one good university ‘might’ select you.</p>
<p>Dude this just stresses people out… a vast majority of their applicants are as qualified as you are, it just matters if the admissions committee thinks you will contribute to the Dartmouth community. Stop stressing and posting this stuff in the forum; it doesn’t change your chances. These forums are good for finding out information about a school but there are some things that only Dartmouth Admissions know - its really hard for someone to “asses your chances.” You will find out soon enough. I wish you good luck-- just keep a positive outlook no matter what. :)</p>
<p>Well look Ive obviously tried to reiterate some of the points you have made. While nobody can effectively “assess you chances” they can certainly point out loopholes that can be improved upon for RD stream of other colleges (In terms of say variety of EC’s, etc) The world doesnt end at D’mouth. It is definitely beneficial this way.
(Try and think of prospective MIT candidates when it comes to being “qualified” - this is will just relieve you if you feel a lot is being left to chance, in your case)
Good luck.</p>
<p>SAT Math
25th Percentile 680
75th Percentile 780
% of Applicants % of Admitted Students Acceptance Rate
800 15.9% 25% 16.7%
700-790 46.4% 53.9% 12.4%
600-690 27.2% 18% 7%
500-590 8.6% 3.1% 3.8%
490 and below 1.9% 0.1% 0.3%</p>
<p>So 25% of accepted students, not 10%, have higher M scores than you do. Even if you had an 800, only 16.7% of them are accepted. Turn it around: 83.3% of applicants with an 800 are rejected.</p>
<p>On to Writing:</p>
<p>SAT Writing
25th Percentile 680
75th Percentile 780
% of Applicants % of Admitted Students Acceptance Rate
800 10.1% 26.6% 28.1%
700-790 43.5% 53% 13%
600-690 32% 16.7% 5.5%
500-590 11.5% 3.5% 3.3%
490 and below 2.5% 0.1% 0.5%</p>
<p>26.6% of accepted students have your W score. A high percentage are accepted, but how many of those, one wonders, also have very high CR scores.</p>
<p>In your case, I would venture to guess that your CR score would be regarded as a bit of an aberration, rather than as a sign of real weakness. </p>
<p>But the bottom line is that you are a qualified applicant, but unfortunately the vast majority of qualified applicants don’t get in. Being an international is a further complication for anyone trying to chance you.</p>
<p>@Psych
From what I’ve noticed in my few weeks on CC is that everyone here is really involved in their college app process, and have very good stats (and I’ve come to the conclusion that there must be some correlation between the two). Because of this, we get a view of admissions process biased to the more qualified applicants. For all the really qualified kids on here, I’m willing to bet there are a good deal of less qualified (and less-involved) applicants applying to the colleges people on here are.
That’s not to say we have good chances, but I think CC is a place where the best of the best intimidate each other. I for one don’t have any research or any remarkable achievements, as I didn’t know a lot of people had those; however, I’m getting the impression that those kids are the ones posting here, so I’m not getting a completely accurate picture of the class of 2014. At least that’s what I’m hoping.
Maybe I’ll stop looking at these forums; they’re only good for feeling bad about your accomplishments!</p>
<p>Would it be horrible to call the admissions office to find out? My school requires us to apply to regular decision schools by the 6th but if I know when the notification will be after the 6th then I can get a special arrangement for my school to hold my applications so I don’t have to pay an extra $300 if I don’t need to.</p>
<p>Dear Consolation,
I really appreciate your time on this but you seemed to have ignored two things of critical importance:1) I have used the word “more” and not “equal” when comparing others’ scores against mine - which in a way that can give them an edge.
2) It is quite impossible to measure the exact percentage of people getting more than you once the scores venture into the 780 zone. It must be realised that SAT scores are extremely discretised in this zone. Effectively 1 mistake is 780 on a lenient curve, 750 on a harsh one. There is nothing called 790 for math sat. </p>
<p>I am also tempted to point out that the individual stats for different components of SAT are pointless for any purpose because low acceptance for any one score class of anyone component say absolutely nothing about the other 2 scores of the individual.
I am also pretty sure that they do not make such an individualised review… If im right, they take all my scores into consideration and the school rank etc and convert it into an academic index (to help phase out the guys who could be rejected). So, it is highly unlikely for colleges to reject a candidate for a single blemish on his SAT report because it is the cumulation of so many factors that is considered.</p>