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Colleges and Universities A-Z Florida State University
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<p>University Freshman Scholarship*
A $9,600 scholarship distributed over four years. Recipients are selected from the best freshman students admitted to the University based upon high school grades and test scores.
21st Century Scholarship*
An $8,000 scholarship distributed over four years. Recipients are selected from our top freshman students admitted to the University (just below University Freshman Scholarship level).
Tuition Reduction Scholarship (Waiver)
Awarded to a limited number of Non-Florida freshmen based on academic merit or special talent. The total amount of this award is a 50% reduction (waiver) of the out-of-state portion of the tuition (approximately $6,875 based on 30 semester hours for the 2010-2011 academic year). The waiver amount is only applied to tuition and does not include other fees, nor does it apply towards study-abroad programs. For information about tuition costs, click here.
National Merit Finalist Scholarship*
A $24,000 scholarship distributed over four years. National Merit Finalists must indicate Florida State University as their number one choice institution with the National Merit Scholarship Corporation. Scholarship awards are limited, and those who indicated Florida State as their first choice early have priority consideration.
National Achievement Finalist Scholarship*
A $24,000 scholarship distributed over four years. National Achievement Finalists must send Florida State University their letter of Finalist notification. Scholarship awards are limited, and those who contact Florida State early have priority consideration.
National Hispanic Scholar Scholarship*
A $24,000 scholarship distributed over four years. National Hispanic Scholars must send Florida State University their letter or Certificate of Scholar designation. Scholarship awards are limited, and those who contact FSU early have priority consideration.</p>

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<li>Each eligible student may receive only one of the noted merit-based Admission scholarships. Because these scholarships are limited in number, students should be admitted by January 1 for full consideration.</li>
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<p>Also received a phone call from the university last night extending an invitation to the honors program.</p>

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<p>If I didn’t a phone call or if I don’t get invited to Honors, should I bother to petition?</p>

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<p>What would you have to lose?</p>

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<p>True, well if I don’t get invited I’ll petition because my SAT definitely falls in the criteria, not sure about my college GPA (which would go up after 12th grade because of my current AP and IB classes).</p>

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<p>Did anyone else get a call to invite to honors? My son got the $9600 scholarship but no phone call.</p>

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<p>How do you know if you’re eligible for that scholarship?</p>

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<p>It was posted on the admission status page where you got the fire works and the applauds. You had to move down to see it.</p>

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<p>For the $9600 scholarship, what is the ‘reserve’ option? I will wait to hear from UF before making a decision. Is reserve the option I want? thanks.</p>

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<p>Yes. If you are waiting for other notifications - hit “reserve”</p>

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<p>My daughter is in the honors program and received her invitation by mail last year after acceptances came out. No phone call.</p>

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<p>Our honors invitation call came from a student @ 7PM. Caller id showed Florida State U. Pretty cool.</p>

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<p>So I am a current student living in a dorm. Do I have to sign up now to for housing again next fall?</p>

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<p>Atacom, FSU runs a wait list as-is. What makes you think whatever happens at UF has any significant effect whatsoever at Florida State? Why would any sensible applicant go to UF over FSU, unless UF actually has a better program in that area?</p>

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<p>^ I’m not atacom, and neither a UF nor FSU fan, but I think she is going with the fact that if one was to get denied to UF, but accepted at FSU, they will go to FSU so FSU will have a better number on the students attending. </p>

<p>Although she could also mean it that FSU is a backup for UF like it is for most kids in my school. Nothing against FSU, great school and many kids would love to go there (heck, my two best friends are).</p>

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<p>Because as spots open up at FSU due to kids accepted at FSU choosing to go to UF, FSU gets a better feel for how many students will matriculate in the fall. They don’t want to have too many show up because of the budget they get from the state, but they don’t want too few to show up because they have budgeted for a certain amount of revenue coming from tuition. </p>

<p>The FSU admissions people have years of data to make predictions on. They know it is quite common for top students to apply to both FSU and UF and they know that some of them will get into both and some will choose UF and some will choose FSU. So they make predictions based on historical data about how many will chose FSU and limit their admissions accordingly. Then after UF sends out its admissions, some students who were admitted to FSU will choose UF instead, decline the FSU admission and then FSU can get a better idea of how many deferred students to admit in March. </p>

<p>That is how wait lists work, not just at FSU but at any school that employs them. The admissions departments are waiting to see how many of their first round admittees accept before they admit more from the wait list.</p>

<p>It is no coincidence that FSU has 2 admit dates - 1 before the UF admit date and 1 after.</p>

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<p>First of all, lots of students, my DD included, don’t know what their major will be so you can’t pick a school based on major if you don’t know what your major will be. She is 17 years old and wants to actually take some college courses before she decides on a major. Sure, some kids know from a very young age they want to be doctors or lawyers or teachers, but plenty of them are like my DD - smart kids who don’t yet know what path they will take in life.</p>

<p>Second, students choose colleges for a whole host of reasons. One I have brought up before - closer proximity to home. Other students may feel just the opposite - they may want to get as far away from their parents as possible. And other students may not have a choice - mom and dad may say we don’t want you going far away from home and if you want us to pay, you have to go to the closer school. What if a kid grew up in Tallahassee and just wants to go to school in a city other than his/her hometown? I am sure there are kids like that.</p>

<p>Other reasons include friends/girlfriends/boyfriends. Some kids want to go to school with a lot of their friends from high school and others want just the opposite - to go somewhere they don’t know many people so that they will make new friends.</p>

<p>Another reason I have mentioned is family alumni status. Some kids are raised to be Noles and some are raised to be Gators by their families. </p>

<p>Then there is the issue of financial aid, which of course is huge for many families. Many, many students choose their college based on whether or not they receive scholarships.</p>

<p>Then there is the issue of school reputation nationally. I don’t want to get into a big debate over the validity of college rankings, but UF ranks higher than FSU in every ranking list I have seen and I think it is fair to say, people are more likely to think UF is the better school academically than to think FSU is. This is but one national ranking list:</p>

<p>[National</a> Universities Rankings - Best College - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/page+3]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/page+3)</p>

<p>[National</a> Universities Rankings - Best College - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/page+5]National”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/page+5)</p>

<p>You can see that in the admit stats, too. UF admits have higher GPAs and SAT/ACT scores than FSU and UF admits a lower percentage of applicants, too.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.inlikeme.com/files/2010%20FL%20SUS%20Matrix%20Final.pdf[/url]”>http://www.inlikeme.com/files/2010%20FL%20SUS%20Matrix%20Final.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Most all of the IB students at DD’s high school applied to both FSU and UF and if they are staying in state, will choose between the two. Most all of the IB students at DD’s high school who apply get into FSU. A smaller number than get admitted to FSU end up getting admitted to UF, but still, most of them get admitted to UF, too. Some of the kids choose FSU because they didn’t get admitted to UF. Others choose FSU over UF. Others choose UF over FSU. And although I have heard of IB kids at her school getting into FSU but not UF, I have never heard of an IB kid at her school getting into UF but not getting into FSU.</p>

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<p>Yes and yes.</p>

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<p>FSU knows how many acceptances they need to extend this year to fill their class LONG BEFORE the UF results come out. Their data mining and research allows them to set numbers and the bar based on last year. Those deferred HAVE NO GREATER CHANCE OF GETTING IN after February related to how many get a UF acceptance. Those deferred need to get their grades or scores up. Period. And if this year’s class is more competitive, the scores will have to be even a touch higher. FSU’s acceptances for priority and regular decision will be based more on the strength of this years applicant pool. </p>

<p>Each student has their reasons for going where they go. FSU will extend the SAME number and type of acceptances no matter what happens in February. Tuition deposits are not due until May 1, and what happens in February of THIS YEAR has no impact on the next set of acceptances in March.</p>

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<p>Reliance on US News for measuring schools like Florida State and Florida is, frankly, foolish for several reasons. Here are a few:</p>

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<li>US News rankings are notoriously unreliable as these articles indicate:</li>
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<p>[Cooking</a> the books: US News college rankings](<a href=“http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2007/07/cooking-books-us-news-college-rankings.html]Cooking”>Information Processing: Cooking the books: US News college rankings)</p>

<p>[Machen’s</a> rankings ploy is just rank](<a href=“http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article1011155.ece]Machen’s”>http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/editorials/article1011155.ece)</p>

<p>[Clemson</a> Controversy Calls Into Question US News College Rankings](<a href=“http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/clemson-controversy-calls-into-question-us-news-college-rankings-717/]Clemson”>http://blogs.wsj.com/numbersguy/clemson-controversy-calls-into-question-us-news-college-rankings-717/)</p>

<p>[Northwestern</a> links alumni gifts to rankings](<a href=“http://voices.washingtonpost.com/college-inc/2010/09/northwestern_links_alumni_gift.html]Northwestern”>http://voices.washingtonpost.com/college-inc/2010/09/northwestern_links_alumni_gift.html)</p>

<p>[‘Manipulating,</a>’ Er, Influencing ‘U.S. News’](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/03/rankings]'Manipulating,”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/06/03/rankings)

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<p>[USC</a> Caught Gaming U.S. News Rankings](<a href=“http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/06/usc-caught-.html]USC”>http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/06/usc-caught-.html)</p>

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<li><p>The University of Florida has assigned to it the state agricultural extension service, known as [Institute</a> of Food and Agricultural Sciences](<a href=“Solutions for Your Life - University of Florida, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences - UF/IFAS”>http://solutionsforyourlife.ufl.edu/), which has an office and assets in each of Florida’s 67 counties. It seems US News gives credit to UF for these assets in terms of per-student spending, though few, if any, have anything to do with UF freshman learning history on the campus in Gainesville. This is a well-known US News distortion in state academic circles, and it gives UF an advantage in things like US News ratings over schools like Florida State, but who really realizes the benefit? Certainly not the students, so this is a real weakness in the rankings that reward UF. FSU, to be more accurately rated on par with the UF IFAS, should count every MD, hospital (some are huge with millions and millions of dollars in budgets), clinic, MD staffer and so on, but these educational assets are ignored though they actually are used to train FSU Med students.</p></li>
<li><p>When John Lombardi was president of UF (1990-1999, when UF experienced substantial rankings improvement) he brought with him “The Center for Measuring University Performance” to UF. Amazingly, UF was rewarded with improved rankings and…others later ascertained that such rankings were geared to reward schools like UF from the outset, like a predetermined outcome. Lombardi left “The Center” at ASU, but remains on the staff. I can’t remember the name of the study that made this point, but if I do I’ll post it.</p></li>
<li><p>“UF has more medical research spending than FSU” - I’ve heard this from excited soon-to-be UF parents and really have to control my reaction to this tidbit of information. First of all, this is great for Shands Hospital and likely for the state, but for freshmen? Really, this is sales junk that is meaningless except to those few students who survive academically to actually apply credibly to med school. Since most UF undergrads study something like psychology (FSU has the oldest program in Florida and certainly one of the best) Finance (FSU has an excellent college of business program) or political science (FSU clearly has the best poli sci program in Florida) this boast is even less impressive.</p></li>
<li><p>“FSU is where the UF rejects go” Really? Can’t tell this by my family, where I (an FSU alumnus) my wife (an FSU alumna) and daughters (both FSU alumnae) rejected UF in lieu of Florida State. Every so often this remark is made on some website and the reaction is the same. FSU grads emerge from the woodwork to post and play whack-a-mole with this bit of UF idiocy about how they passed over the supposedly irresistible school in Gainesville.</p></li>
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<p>Hope this helps. :)</p>

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<p>Every single person I know that got into FSU yesterday, (about 10) is waiting on the UF decision. They all want to go to UF, and if they are rejected, will be going to FSU. It is somwhat known as the school for UF rejects. At least in my experience. Of course not everyone that applies to FSU wants to go to UF more, but it doesn’t change the fact that a lot of people do.</p>