is geneseo hard to get into? accepted percentages by year
2014 59.1%
2013 52.8%
2012 43.2%
2011 37.5%
2010 34.8%
not particularly ivy stats, are they? anyone besides lostacc have any theories about why?
In 2010, almost 14,000 applied.
In 2014, Only about 9,000 applied.
I think it’s self selection. I know someone who is not looking at Geneseo because it has the reputation of being selective. I’m going to let him know about this trend.
10400 applied for 09-10 . consistent apps ranged from 9069 to 10412 during the 5 years. i think delhi and plattsburg are more selective. oneonta definitely is. bing is consistent in low 40’s stony is consistent in high 30’s.
if it were self selection, the other high caliber campuses would show the same trend
@jimtoes and @3boystogo, here’s what I found in the Common Data Sets for SUNY Geneseo for the past 5 Fall freshman classes:
Fall 2014 59.1% admitted (5502/9305); 22.1% of admitted students enrolled (1215/5502)
SAT CR 550-660; SAT M 570-660; ACT 25-29
Fall 2013 52.8% admitted (4786/9069); 23.7% of admitted students enrolled (1132/4786)
SAT CR 580-680; SAT M 598-680; ACT 26-29
Fall 2012 45.7% admitted (4184/9164); 23.8% of admitted students enrolled (997/4184)
SAT CR 580-690; SAT M 600-700; ACT 27-29
Fall 2011 43.2% admitted (4136/9569); 24.4% of admitted students enrolled (1010/4136)
SAT CR 590-690; SAT M 600-690; ACT 27-30
Fall 2010 37.5% admitted (3711/9885); 27.2% of admitted students enrolled (1008/3711)
SAT CR 600-690; SAT M 620-700; ACT 27-30
@jimtoes, our numbers differ for Fall 2010, Fall 2011, Fall 2012.
Your Fall 2012 admit rate = My Fall 2011 admit rate
Your Fall 2011 admit rate = My Fall 2010 admit rate
It doesn’t take away from your argument, but I think you may be off by one year with the data you’ve cited.
@3boystogo, according to the Common Data Set for SUNY Geneseo for Fall 2010 admissions, there were 9,885 applicants, and yes, for Fall 2014 admissions, approximately 9,000 students applied (actual number: 9,305 students).
It does appear as though the percentage of students admitted has increased consistently over the past 5 Fall admission cycles, however, the biggest jump appears to be between Fall 2012 and Fall 2013. The range of applicants is relatively narrow (9,069-9,885) for all years., The number of students admitted was low for Fall 2010 (3,711), within a tight range for Fall 2011-Fall 2012 (4136-4184), but then increased significantly for Fall 2013 and Fall 2014, the same years that the number of students enrolled increased significantly (1132-1215).
I think that it is this increase in the number of students admitted that accounts for the lower mean standardized test scores over the past two years relative to the previous 3 years.
There may have been mitigating factors affecting enrollment. I know that Monroe Hall re-opened in January 2013 after being closed for renovations for 2 full years. The dorm houses 175 students. It may be that the administration made the targeted decision to increase enrollment beginning Fall 2013 because housing capacity increased the previous year.
Don’t confuse selectivity and admission rate.
Geneseo is the state’s public honors college. Its applicants have stats similar to Bing’s - slight differences but overall a wash
(2013: CR 580- 675, M: 630-710/ 3.6 GPA at Bing; CR 580-680, M 598-680, GPA 3.7 at Geneseo)
However, the pool is more self-selective - whereas any top 20% will apply to Bing, only those who seek the specific culture of a liberal arts college apply to Geneseo. Hence the high acceptance rate.
If you look at colleges in NESCAC, the admission rate can be high but selectivity drastic.
In addition, wrt to Geneseo in particular, they decided to increase intake a couple years ago. This will stabilize but for the next 2-3 years it’ll be easier to get into Geneseo, even if you don’t have a 3.7 GPA and a 28 ACT.)
so the fact that the scores of the accepted students has declined steadily and dramatically means nothing? are your other 11557 posts just as meaningless? your 2013 numbers are way off from last year. the acceptance rate has doubled and that’s why? good schools across the country have seen their apps skyrocket and acceptance rates stable to lower in the same time frame.
This is an outstanding public LAC that is consistently recognized nationally for their accomplishments. Despite increasing admissions the overall academic profile for the average geneseo student is still very competitive. Only Geneseo administration can comment on the reasons for an increase in acceptance rate. I do know that growing enrollment is a metric SUNY central monitors and encourages. It is well known that Geneseo’s applicant pool is self-selective and also applies to very selective privates. I believe the privates as well as some of the lower ranking SUNYS are beefing up their financial packages making it a bit more challenging for Geneseo. The bottom line I know plenty of Alumni from Geneseo who have nothing but great things to say about Geneseo. That is not necessarily the same with many of the other SUNYS.
@jimtoes, the following are the average standardized test scores over the past 5 years. These results are then compared with Fall 2014 alone and the difference between the average score and one year score is noted:
SAT-CR 25th Avg. = 580 Fall 2014 = 550 Difference = - 30 points
SAT-CR 75th Avg. = 682 Fall 2014 = 660 Difference = - 22 points
SAT-M 25th Avg. = 597.6 Fall 2014 = 570 Difference = - 27.6 points
SAT-M 75th Avg. = 686 Fall 2014 = 660 Difference = - 26 points
ACT 25th Avg. = 26.4 Fall 2014 = 25 Difference = - 1.4 points
ACT 75th Avg. = 29.4 Fall 2014 = 29 Difference = - 0.4 points
Average scores declined for the Fall 2014 cohort, likely due to the fact that SUNY Geneseo has chosen to admit significantly more students the past 2 years.
Whether one considers scores to have declined dramatically may be dependent upon what one considers a dramatic decline. SAT subtest scores at the 25th and 75th percentiles for the Fall 2014 cohort were 22 - 30 points lower than the average for the past 5 years. ACT scores at the 25th and 75th percentiles for the Fall 2014 cohort were 0.4 - 1.4 points lower than the average for the past 5 years.
If we make the same comparison of average standardized test scores over the past 5 years versus the Fall 2013 cohort, the results are as follows:
SAT-CR 25th Avg. = 580 Fall 2013 = 580 Difference = 0 points
SAT-CR 75th Avg. = 682 Fall 2013 = 680 Difference = - 2 points
SAT-M 25th Avg. = 597.6 Fall 2013 = 598 Difference = + 0.4 points
SAT-M 75th Avg. = 686 Fall 2013 = 680 Difference = - 6 points
ACT 25th Avg. = 26.4 Fall 2013 = 26 Difference = - 0.4 points
ACT 75th Avg. = 29.4 Fall 2013 = 29 Difference = - 0.4 points
SAT subtest scores at the 25th and 75th percentiles for the Fall 2013 cohort were +0.4 points higher to 6 points lower than the average for the past 5 years. ACT scores at the 25th and 75th percentiles for the Fall 2014 cohort were 0.4 points lower than the average for the past 5 years.
Clearly, Fall 2013 scores are not significantly more or less than the average cohort over the past 5 years.
Taken together, it is clear that the Fall 2014 cohort had lower average standardized test scores, but not that there is a reliably predictable and significant downward trend in the data.
However, as pointed out by @MYOS1634 and myself, the University’s decision to increase the number of students it accepted and enrolled the past two years may have impacted mean standardized test scores. The average number of students accepted over the past 5 years is 4,464/year. The number of students accepted in Fall 2014 was significantly higher than that average, at 5,502. Increasing the number of students accepted by 19%, relative to the average number of students accepted over the past 5 years, particularly when the number of students applying to the school has remained relatively constant over the same 5 year time period (Avg. = 9398.4; Fall 2014 cohort = 9305) will understandably result in lowered standardized test scores for a given year (Fall 2014).
never implied that the students don’t like it there or it’s a substandard u. the fact is it describes itself as some kind of public ivy honors school. it describes its peer univeriies as nyu and ,colgate. very far from reality. 5 years ago its 25th percentile sats were 1390, last year it was 1320. if everything appears jake to you people , sorry. if cornell had the same decline i think it would raise questions. all good schools are self selective, what a crappy argument. syracuse is now harder to get into,
I think that if you increase enrollment by 20% from 2012-2014, you’re going to see comparatively weaker students admitted and enrolling.
However, by contrast during the 2010-4 period, Binghamton has increased admitted freshman from approximately 10900 to 12500 and enrolled freshman from approximately 2200 to 2500 (with acceptance rates increasing from 40% in 2010 to 44% in 2014 and yield rates consistent in the 20-1% range for all five years) with no corresponding drop in SAT scores. The CR/M range has consistently been in the low 1200’s/ high 1300’s and the CR/M/W (Binghamton indicates that it counts the writing section; I don’t believe that Geneseo does) consistent in the high 1700’s to 1800/low 2000’s range.
Are the following schools, listed on the SUNY Geneseo website as peer institutions, comparable to SUNY Geneseo in terms of acceptance rates or standardized test scores for admitted students?
(Data sources: Common Data Sets; USDOE College Navigator)
Cornell University
Fall 2014 14.2% admitted (6105/43037); 52.8% of admitted students enrolled (3225/6105)
SAT CR 650-740; SAT M 680-770; ACT 30-34
Hamilton College
Fall 2014 26.3% admitted (1336/5071); 35.1% of admitted students enrolled (469/1336)
SAT CR 650-730; SAT M 660-740; ACT 30-33
Colgate University
Fall 2014 26.2% admitted (2287/8717); 33.5% of admitted students enrolled (767/2287)
SAT CR 630-720; SAT M 650-750; ACT 29-32
Boston College
Fall 2014 33.9% admitted (7875/23223); 29.1% of admitted students enrolled (2288/7875)
SAT CR 620-710; SAT M 650-740; ACT 30-33 **Note: Fall 2013 standardized test data
New York University
Fall 2013 26% admitted (57845 applicants); 35% of admitted students enrolled
SAT CR 620-720; SAT M 630-740; ACT 28-32
University of Rochester
Fall 2014 36.5% admitted (5985/16390); 21.7% of admitted students enrolled (1298/5985)
SAT CR 600-700; SAT M 640-760; ACT 29-33
SUNY Geneseo
Fall 2014 59.1% admitted (5502/9305); 22.1% of admitted students enrolled (1215/5502)
SAT CR 550-660; SAT M 570-660; ACT 25-29
Fall 2010 37.5% admitted (3711/9885); 27.2% of admitted students enrolled (1008/3711)
SAT CR 600-690; SAT M 620-700; ACT 27-30
SUNY Binghamton
Fall 2014 44.1% admitted(12564/28518); 20.7% of admitted students enrolled (2602/12564)
SAT CR 590-670; SAT M 620-700; ACT 27-30
Villanova University
Fall 2014 49.3% admitted (7748/15705); 21.5% of admitted students enrolled (1668/7748)
SAT CR 600-690; SAT M 620-710; ACT 28-31
Is it more difficult to get into Syracuse University than SUNY Geneseo now? Here’s the data:
(SOURCE: Common Data Set; USDOE College Navigator)
SUNY Geneseo
Fall 2014 59.1% admitted (5502/9305); 22.1% of admitted students enrolled (1215/5502)
SAT CR 550-660; SAT M 570-660; ACT 25-29
Fall 2013 52.8% admitted (4786/9069); 23.7% of admitted students enrolled (1132/4786)
SAT CR 580-680; SAT M 598-680; ACT 26-29
Syracuse University
Fall 2013 49% admitted (28,269 applicants); 25% of admitted students enrolled
SAT CR 500-620; SAT M 540-650; ACT 23-28
bottom line… they need a new peer list. can they be sued for this? not trying to burst anyone’s glorified image of the place but if you thought you’d be spending 4 years with like-minded high achievers that were all a whisker away from princeton, you’ll be disappointed. i can’t believe 10% of the class didn’t even get 500 on their verbal. if you’re going to be the big fish in the pond it would probably be better to take the presidential scholarships from albany, oneonta, or oswego and save some valuable coin.
The schools at the top of your list (Cornell, Hamilton, and Colgate) are wishful thinking at best. NYU, BC, Binghamton and Villanova were probably comparable, but it appears the bar for Geneseo admission was lowered somewhat as enrollment increased. I had heard of some students who were admitted in the past two years that surprised me to say the least. Looking at these numbers helps to explain why they were admitted (including early decision this year). It appears to me that Geneseo’s applications did not increase enough (or at all) to allow for a 20% increase in enrollment and maintainance of 200-12 admission standards.
I think that one way to look at it is to ask yourself if you can think of a situation where a student would be admitted as a Fall 2015 freshman to any of these schools with the exception of Syracuse and not be admitted to Geneseo (assuming needs-blind admission standards), and then consider the reverse.
Geneseo may also be losing higher scoring admitted students due to the merit scholarships offered by the other SUNY’s that jimtoes mentions (I’d add UB to the list).
Indeed, I have a high stats in state kid who didn’t even consider Geneseo. No money. She is competitive for privates that would end up being cheaper. It didn’t make any sense to apply. But if you’re somewhere between 1700 and 1900 on the SAT and you’re in state, it’s a good school at a decent price. I would agree that calling it an honors college is a bit of a stretch. Saying that Cornell (even the contract SUNY schools) is a peer just makes them look silly.
I do find it interesting that they rate rigor and test scores above rank and gpa.
I was accepted yesterday, and my acceptance letter claimed only 900 of 9000 applicants were accepted this year. 10 percent is far from 50 percent as past years claim, though I am not sure if their are other factors that affect the acceptance rate. I have a 4.0, 1860 SAT, top five percent of my class, and have a rigorous schedule with a recommendation letter from an AP teacher and Geneseo alumni. Still, I am not sure how the letter will claim only 10 percent were accepted while online percentages are far from that.
Did they say 900 accepted/admitted, or did they say they expect a yield (actual enrollment) of 900 from the 9,000 applicants?
Re-read the letter. It said that there were nearly 9,000 applications for 900 positions in the class of 2019. Many more were accepted.
If this size of this fall’s entering class is only 900, that far fewer than in the past few years.
sara should look into working for the geneseo marketing dept when she graduates. as for the rest of the post…i’ve been double secret warned but i’m going to say it anyway, 4.0? 5th in class?.. their?
@MidwestDad3, the letter reads, “Nearly 9,000 students applied for 900 positions in the Class of 2019.”
Yep, that means they hope to fill 900 spots. If they estimate a yield of, say, 20% they will need to accept 4500 applicants to get their 900, because many of those accepted students will end up going elsewhere.