<p>I doubt that I have a weak moral character because I am trying to make myself look as best as possible to gain admission to west point and my councelor agreed it would be better to list my A in AP Env. Sci. rather than a C in AP Bio. Also momof3boyz I believe it's best not to judge those you don't know, because that is a show of poor character in my opinion. All I did was use the card to my advantage because my number one goal at this point in my life is to win an appointment and I'm not going to jeopardize my chances due to the fact that some consider it immoral to put your better grades down on the card which gives that option because there is only four spaces. I am happy that at least one person, 8IzEnuff, can understand where I'm coming from.</p>
<p>since there were only 4 spaces, i just created two more on the side to fit in all my classes.</p>
<p>As I remember, the card was given to the high school transcript office and they forwarded it with all the 7th semester grades to USMA. We had no idea whether the transcript office added lines to the card, attached a page or what. In any case, all the grades were sent and accepted.</p>
<p>My impression was USMA wanted the grades from core subjects (english, math, science, history). If for example, a student was taking an extra science course to fill the course schedule, USMA would probably prefer to get one of each from the core subjects instead of two sciences and no english. </p>
<p>USMA has seen it all...the "game" may be "thick"....but they have been processing admissions packets for a very long time and it is not a game to them.</p>
<p>Armygreen, I won't tell you whether I think your actions were immoral or not. What I will do is quote a statement from the latest USMA Bugle Notes 2006-2009 (the little black book given to plebes.) </p>
<p>Definitions
Lying: Cadets violate the Honor Code by lying if they deliberately deceive another by stating an untruth, or by any direct form of communication, to include the telling of a partial truth or vague or ambiguous use of information or language with the intent to deceive or mislead. </p>
<p>IMO, the right thing for you to do is contact your admissions officer and go over the situation with him.</p>
<p>Armygreen: Don't be surprised if the Admissions Officers at West Point read these posts. Air Force and Navy actually have Admissions Officers who act as moderators on their threads. It never pays to shave the truth.</p>
<p>Wow, I am amazed that you guys are debating whether something is or isn't an honor violation and you aren't even cadets yet.</p>
<p>While I certainly don't condone lying at any time.</p>
<p>I don't think ArmyGreen needs to turn himself in to his admissions officer due to filling out a card that is obviouly ambiguious to start off with.</p>
<p>His official transcript will correct any misunderstandings thay might have been introduced.</p>
<p>You will get plenting of training on how to apply the honor code to the many situations you will find yourself in while at West Point and in life.</p>
<p>I agree that based on ArmyGreen's own statements that he intentionally left out grades that he knows would reflect less than an outstanding image of himself would be viewed as "quibbling" with the honor code if he were a Cadet.</p>
<p>Given that he is not yet a Cadet, I don't see the value in judging him as if he were.</p>
<p>The discussion is great preparation for the many similar discussions you will face in the next four years if you decide to attend any of the Service Academys and I commend you for being ahead of the curve.</p>
<p>I don't even see how I'm being untruthful. I had two science classes and I put in the better of the two. It may be just me but I consider that common sense.</p>
<p>Armygreen - If you need to explain and re-explain your actions that is a "red flag" in respect to a sense of guilt or a pathological personality that needs to constantly defend actions. Listen to College Dad (he is an AFA graduate) who gives you the benefit of the doubt, and your not listening. If you cant be straightforward with your grades, then whats next? If your hiding your grades or actions from authority figures then your maturity level needs improvement. Let down your defensive wall and just be open with your grades youll sleep better.</p>
<p>Every R-Day there are those that do not make it all the way through the inprocessing for something or other that they felt that it was not necessary for them to tell the Admissions Office.</p>
<p>Armygreen:</p>
<p>If you make it to West Point and make it to a position of command where your actions are a matter of life and death for your troops - here's a question: In the midst of a combat activity when you need extremely accurate information from your junior officers, how would feel if one of the junior officers shaded the truth about his squad/etc.'s position? Rockymnt is right - you'll sleep better - and C in an AP course is NOT going to hurt you. Learn from this.</p>
<p>Army2010: What do kids not make it through inprocessing for? Just curious...</p>
<p>Primarily for fudging medical results/status.</p>
<p>I hate to change the subject, but KateLewis's last post brought up a question that has haunted me for a few weeks now. I have excercise-induced asthma that has all but disappeared over the past few years (I can run cross country and track, no problem). While jumping through the hoops for DODMERB, things got a little fuzzy:1) I recieved a medical waiver for the asthma, 2) the website told me I needed something called a Methacholine Challenge Test, 3) and the receptionist at DODMERB says the site is wrong and WP never requested such a test. Now, I'm inclined to think that I'm okay, since the people at the Waiver Board would have had to reeeeaaally screw up to have granted me a waiver, but the last thing I want is to be sent packing on R-Day with no where to go but the local OSU branch. What do you think I should do?</p>
<p>PS-Sorry about cluttering this thread, but I knew I could get an answer here.</p>
<p>If you received a waiver, then you should be good. Call your admissions officer just to make sure.</p>
<p>envee,</p>
<p>You may want to have your own physicial order the methacholine test. If there is a problem you want to know about it now rather than later. Run a search and you will find a lot of information posted by others.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Thanks. I just emailed my admissions liason.</p>
<p>RomeUSMA2010, </p>
<p>what do you know about the honor code?</p>
<p>From the Instructions for Applicants booklet: "Upon completion of the first half of your senior year of high school, complete your portion of this card and give to your guidance counselor to fill out and mail so that Admissions will receive information concerning your senior year academic record. Please note that in addition to these fall grades, an admitted candidate's record should ultimately reflect satisfactory completion of all academic course work to include spring programs. Failure to submit this data may be cause for file closure or for withdrawal of an offer or appointment."</p>
<p>My read is that this does not mention only putting down your 4 best grades, trying to justify with your guidance counselor what should be sent in and what should not, do what you want to make yourself look good (perhaps in the short term), etc. Seems pretty clear to me, but I am not trying to skirt the system.</p>
<p>Armygreen: I'm back on my soap box. </p>
<p>I hope you now realize there may be negative results to your omition of the "C" in AP bio. I say this NOT to point a finger at you or scold you. Nothing would be gained by that.</p>
<p>Everyday we are presented with learning opportunities. At worst.....you may not get a spot at a service academy.
At best.....you gain the wisdom to evaluate your actions before you act. </p>
<p>Even adults can benefit from this lesson. I'll be the first to admit I too make errors in judgement. Best wishes to you and your future.</p>
<p>ugh, I know I have to send in my 7th semester grades before Feb. 1. BUT my school won't release them until FEB. 6!!!! Are they going to withdraw my application?!!!! I couldn't help me school sending grades in so late!</p>