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<p>yes … elite college do discriminate the asians…</p>
<p>As an Asian, I am indignant at the blatant inequality with which students of different race are looked at. at the same time, affirmative action is necessary to some degree. to maintain “diversity.” so what’s the resolution? so far none seems to have surfaced</p>
<p>Diversity is important, no doubt. But man, this is pretty disturbing stuff in terms of how far universities will go to get it.</p>
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<p>Where is the evidence that anyone with an SAT score of 1150 has been admitted to Harvard recently? </p>
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<p>^ The thread starter indicated that perfect-scoring Asians have the same chance as 1150-scoring African-Americans. While I certainly hope this is an exaggeration by Espenshade (by gosh, that’s like a 1725 equivalent to a 2400…) those getting in below the 25th percentile (which is in the 690-700 range for Harvard) are hooked, and since African-Americans are hooked, it’s conceivable that a handful of African-Americans with scores considerably lower than the 25th% got into Harvard, though again I think the 225-point advantage per section is a stretch.</p>
<p>Shouldn’t admissions be based on ability alone?</p>
<p>The elite privates are a product that must entice some of the best students in the world to attend and around half of the parents to pay the full, ever rising price. Those parents and students, the buyers, have expectations as to the make-up of the student body.They want to see some black faces, a good number of Asian faces and a lot of white faces and rosy cheeks. That’s what sells and that’s how the elites design their product. If Harvard went 90% Asian the better Asian students would stop applying. Yet despite their best efforts the elites have declining populations of blacks and ever rising numbers of asians. I would expect the trend noted by Usnews to continue with colleges becoming increasingly sophisticated in their efforts to shape their product for the most attractive consumers. No-one wants to end up like Berkeley.</p>
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<p>I think diversity is getting overrated. If Asians (which I’m definitively not) are more capable, if they put more effort, and work harder, they should get the places, period.</p>
<p>Let’s not forget “diversity” was first introduced when Ivies saw a big problem in having 30% and up Jews in their freshman classes in the 20’s and 30’s. Because they were usually discriminated against and barred for many social roles, Jewish community historically put a greater emphasis in the value of education and arts, only to have Deans calling something like “a Jewish problem” that was keeping white elit</p>
<p>As has often been said: “Meritocracy is a myth”.</p>
<p>And this applies not only in the U.S., but almost anyway it is being touted as a basic principle of governance.</p>
<p>In this tread, race is the issue, it could easily as well have been social class, age, wealth etc.</p>
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<p>Having said that, I think Asian students should be proud that our results and achievements are making it harder and harder for colleges to maintain the ‘myth’!</p>
<p>YEAH!</p>
<p>a billion dollar endowment buys a lot of “myth”</p>
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<p>I’m fine with the elites protecting their brand names and images. I ask only that they dissociate themselves from federal funding for financial aid; if they want to make a campus with “some black faces, a good number of Asian faces and a lot of white faces and rosy cheeks,” they can do so out of their own endowments.</p>
<p>I don’t see how “the better Asian students would stop applying” if Harvard went 90% Asian, which it never will, by the way; the percentage of Asian students at Berkeley is not even half of 90%. I think you might be exaggerating the yellow peril here.</p>
<p>Lastly, I would like to point out that while your paragraph echoes what Malcolm Gladwell wrote [four</a> years ago](<a href=“http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/10/10/051010crat_atlarge]four”>Getting In | The New Yorker), yours has prejudiced undertones whereas Gladwell’s essay is neutral. You seem to be suggesting that there is something wrong with “end[ing] up like Berkeley” or having an American university be 90% Asian. But, there is nothing wrong with ending up like Berkeley; quite the contrary, in fact, for in 2003, [url=<a href=“http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/46_pellgrants.html]35%[/url”>The Long-Term Performance of the Nation's Highest-Ranked Universities in Enrolling Low-Income Students]35%[/url</a>] of Berkeley’s undergrads received Pell Grants, indicating a high amount of economic diversity - real diversity, mind you, not the fake politically correct one so staunchly espoused by the status quo. As for the latter comment, try saying that there’s something wrong with a campus that’s 90% black. See what happens, and then ask yourself, do I have double standards, or am I just being nuanced?</p>
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<p>I don’t know who you’re talking about, but I would really want to go to Harvard if it was 90% Asian.</p>
<p>Yes, it’s great for alumni, just like football is, but who really doesn’t want to go to a prestigious university just because it has “too many” Asians?</p>
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I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it; I could never see myself at a HBCU. But at the same time, as you acknowledged, 90% is a gross exaggeration; even Berkeley’s 46% is probably a misrepresentation as I’m sure the Asian numbers there are inflated as for many that was the best school they could get into. I would predict unbiased Asian distributions at top schools to be in the mid-20s %; just conjecture, but I think it’s a reasonable guesstimate; either way, it’s a hell of a lot lower than 90%. </p>
<p>And another point: racial diversity is achieved without deliberate efforts at hundreds of colleges throughout America. Why the pressing need for it in top schools? If an applicant truly wants diversity, they can select from a multitude of schools that do not need to use discriminatory means in order to do so.</p>
<p>if colleges didn’t discriminate, the top 20 or so would be composed of students who are, approximately, 80% asian, 15% white, 5% other. sorry, but it’s just true.</p>
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<p>Sorry?</p>
<p>How would you happen to know this? You wouldn’t happen to have any actual mathematical proof or anything, or is that too much to ask of you?</p>
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<p>Ability to do what?</p>
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<p>I checked the official figures, </p>
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<p>and, yes, the percentage of “Asian” students at Berkeley really isn’t so extraordinarily high considering that Berkeley is located in a metropolitan area with an exceptionally high percentage of Asian residents, and is the most desired state university campus in a state with a very large number of Asian high school students.</p>
<p>The student who sued Princeton is stupid a 2400 means nothing.</p>