Do Elite Colleges Discriminate Against Asian Students?

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@Pizzagirl

Yep. That’s how it is. I can live with the fact that my white, upper-middle-class Jewish kids might wind up not getting into their college of choice because that college chose to privilege a poor Afr-Am clawing his way up from the ghetto who isn’t as “qualified” (in the sense of test scores, GPA, etc.). That’s life; no one ever said that they were guaranteed spots in those schools or that life had to work out entirely fair. I still know that I’m far more privileged that that kid overall, so as they say, noblesse oblige.

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<p>Why do you continue to use such straw man arguments? No one here, especially me, is arguing that the kid shouldn’t get benefits based on SES affirmative action. It is still possible for SES or even racial AA and no negative action to exist at the same time! </p>

<p>If anything, based on the rather amusing theory of “privilege”, whites are the first ones to get negative action.</p>

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@Pizzagirl

You’re taking Asian values and putting them into American situations, and then complaining about it.

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<p>I’ve said this before, and I’m not sure if you responded to it, but one reason URMs are given benefits is that the values they were raised with are different than the ones universities typically prefer. Should Asians be given advantages of this? Or at least, which ones?</p>

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@Pizzagirl

And how you can compare the Jewish situation, in which there was overt discrimination AGAINST a group, to the situation now is beyond me. No one is overtly discriminating against Asians; they are giving thumbs on the scale to other groups which wind up reducing the spots for all who aren’t members of that group.

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<p>The over representation of Jewish students at top school also reduces numbers for people who aren’t Jewish.</p>

<p>Oh Asians, taking away our university spots! Admission officials should be ashamed for letting them in.</p>

<p>Pizzagirl, what did Asians do to you? And I’m curious, why do you think is it acceptable for you to have such a tone that make you so sound so against one racial group. If I were to talk about African Americans in the same manner, a lot more people would call me out on that.</p>

[tokenadult]

<p>Thread closed. </p>

<p>The conference presentation mentioned in the thread-opening post can be found here: </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nacacnet.org/EventsTraining/NC10/Baltimore/educational/Documents/C313.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nacacnet.org/EventsTraining/NC10/Baltimore/educational/Documents/C313.pdf&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>The cited scholar’s new book is described here: </p>

<p>[Espenshade</a>, T.J. and Radford, A.W.: No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life.](<a href=“All Books | Princeton University Press”>No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal | Princeton University Press) </p>

<p>and </p>

<p>[Amazon.com:</a> No Longer Separate, Not Yet Equal: Race and Class in Elite College Admission and Campus Life (9780691141602): Thomas J. Espenshade, Alexandria Walton Radford: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Longer-Separate-Not-Yet-Equal/dp/0691141606]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Longer-Separate-Not-Yet-Equal/dp/0691141606) </p>

<p>There are a lot of links to other reading materials further up in the thread. </p>

<p>A more general thread on related issues can be found elsewhere on this College Admissions Forum. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;