Do Gays Fit In?

<p>…sigh. Yes, I am well aware there are more straight people than gay people. That, like you say, is indisputable. But I’m not railing against the fact that being straight is the norm. Instead, I’m pointing out that:

  1. Heterosexual relationships are far overrepresented in today’s media. AND
  2. Heterosexuals many times have used (and are still currently using) their overwhelming majority to mistreat the gay community.</p>

<p>Therefore, it is hypocritical (at the very least) to claim that the gays are forcing their culture upon the straights because there are a couple gay characters in popular media, as well as a flag.</p>

<p>I’m not sure what you mean with the second paragraph, but I’m not of the opinion that the gay rights movement has gotten out of hand in any respects.</p>

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<p>I always thought it was more or less generally agreed in America thay people should indeed recognize other people’s right to live the way they choose to as long as it doesn’t harm others.</p>

<p>Also, homosexuality is not a choice. </p>

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<p>What is being shoved in your face? A rainbow colored flag that is actually just hanging there?</p>

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<p>The majority of society behaving in some way does not mean that the majority 's values should in any way be imposed on minorities. Especially if one of the values of that majority includes civil liberties.</p>

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<p>Oh, dearie me. Gay people want to be able to do the same things with the individuals they love that straight people do! How will our institutions that society finds so sacred (that it violates them more than fifty percent of the time) go on?!</p>

<p>I never understood why it’s far more important to some people that legislation is passed preventing a minutely small minority from marrying than legislation that prevents even bigger threats to society’s maintenance of the “sanctity of marriage” (!!!) like divorce. </p>

<p>Somehow, there’s a difference between the two that is unrelated to bigotry at all.</p>

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<p>I either love or am kept at bay by Vandy’s profound political diversity. I’m not sure, yet.</p>

<p>Gays SHOULD fit in and in college there are normally intelligent people that are open minded. Although that hate toward homosexuals exist because of the religions! Damn religions… In the ERA B.C you could read I.E “the symposium” By Platon and realize that homosexuality is normal in humans nature.</p>

<p>Frasco, I respectfully disagree with your statement that religion is the cause of hatred. No, religion is the excuse people use to justify and perpetuate their hate. </p>

<p>At least my bible tells me to love everyone and that EVERYONE has sinned. (No I am not saying that being gay is a sin - just making a point - read on) So if you hate a person because they have sinned in your eyes, then do you hate everyone. Again, please do not blame religion for this hatred. Blame the people who hate. This apply to all people who hate whether it be about gays, a different religion, race, sex or even being overweight. </p>

<p>Besides, I think this discussion is getting off topic from what the original poster asked. This is a place to discuss colleges, not the problems of the world and small minded people.</p>

<p>Dear Vandy 3023,</p>

<p>You have proven that society would probably be better off without religion. This whole conversation is ridiculous, because you claims that seeing a rainbow colored flag “burdens” you. If it was black history month, no one would be upset with having black history posters/Africa flags being flown. The fact is that its more about culture rather than religion. The Bible dictates that people are not supposed to have sex outside of marriage or wear mix fabric clothing. I highly doubt you has gone his entire life without wearing polyester or another blended fabric. </p>

<p>Homosexuality is a human reality, not a contrived phenomenon. It is in every family, every community, every school. Therefore, shows like Modern Family and Happy Endings are just showing an accurate representation of an American family. For you to say that certain types of people should be excluded from television shows because of their sexual preference just justifies and highlights their importance even more. That’s exactly why they’re there. Their presence will hopefully make you, and other uncomfortable people, more accepting and openminded. In fact, studies have shown that views on gay people are improving at a fast rate, and this is due largely to the large roles they play on the new generation of television shows. </p>

<p>Homophobes (even the ones in denial like you) are the reason why Vanderbilt was right to take such an aggressive stance on gay rights. I’m not mad at him, as it is likely his parents’ fault, or his religion’s, that he was not taught to be more accepting of others’ differences. There was once a time that I, as an African American, was would have been segregated from institutions such as Vanderbilt, and people like you would have been holding up signs with Bible verses in an attempt to shame and discourage me from attending. </p>

<p>If the fact that an elite college decided to support a group of marginalized citizens who are, without a doubt, the most vulnerable students “burdens” you, you have some serious issues that you need to work out with yourself. Many of these kids come from situations in which they’ve been bullied in school, bullied by their parents, and bullied in their houses of worship for their entire lives. If it “burdens” you that they have one month in which they can feel valued and visible, then you obviously aren’t a very sympathetic person. Furthermore, many of these students come from southern states such as Alabama and Mississippi, where gay pride flags are probably as frequently seen as UFOs and leprechauns.</p>

<p>These are kids who have been outsiders their entire lives. And you feel “burdened.” </p>

<p>The suicide attempt rate for LGBT youth is CONSERVATIVELY estimated to be at 30%. I am part of this statistic, as I have attempted suicide twice in my life. People like you are only adding “fuel to the fire” when they decide to support hate over love, injustice over justice. We live in a world where certain people who fit the “norm” are treated differently than others, and you want to make sure that this stays the same.</p>

<p>The fact is that for progress to be made, people are going to have to be made uncomfortable. When the first black-white couple got married in Alabama, do you think they were met with open arms? Of course not. It will take time for gay couples to be treated without prejudice, but that time will come at some point. It may take more years than I will be on this Earth. But, I am confident that day will come. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, we live in a society where humanity has decided to self-categorize and separate based off of differences. But as the new generation, we can make this different.</p>

<p>It ultimately comes down to two sides. You can be on the right side of history or the wrong side. You can choose to be on the side of intolerance, fear-mongering, and discrimination. Or, you can choose to be on the side that supports equality and justice. You have to look in the mirror and decide what type of person you are, and whether what you stand for is truly indicative of the values you hold in your heart.</p>

<p>Do you really want to have to explain to your grandchildren that you supported discrimination and hatred? How would you like it if you found out your grandfather was a Klansman? How would that make you feel? I’m hoping the words shame and embarrassment come to mind.</p>

<p>You are at Vanderbilt, so therefore you are an intelligent and capable individual. Hopefully, you will come to the logical conclusion that people do not choose to live harder lives. Hopefully, you will come around and decide that gay rights are human rights.</p>

<p>“Diversity makes society stronger”- Benjamin Franklin</p>

<p>Corey, I am saddened to see that you have decided to make a blanket decision about a group of people based on the actions of a few. :frowning: I wish you all the prosperity and happiness in your future no matter where you choose to attend. May God bless you and your partner.</p>

<p>While it’s admittedly true that the generalization he made was false, I do think it’s fair to say that the majority of the anti-LGBT community is composed of religious individuals.</p>

<p>That being said, Corey, I’m sorry to hear what you’ve gone through; nobody should have to experience what you did. I wish you only the best in the future.</p>

<p>I can’t believe it’s that high. How depressing.</p>

<p>coreyalexander2 I sent you a private message, I’d like to continue this discussion privately.</p>

<p>waht. Come onnnn…</p>

<p>Wow, the fact this debate broke out is an answer to the OP’s question: there are multiple perspectives.
As a gay man, I have to add that no, not everybody can be expected to accept homosexuality right now, but we are in a time of change. The percentages of people that support gay rights are increasing, and those that oppose are diminishing. The “annoying gay pride that being shoved upon you” is our movement. We cannot attain equal right under law or in the public’s eye without this. Hope fully, just as it did with the african american culture (which I am also a part of), that “stereotypical gay character” will become simply a character that happens to be gay. When people can mention gays in public or on the internet without an outbreak of religious or political debates, is when we truly gain social equality. It’s a process.</p>

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<p>This is a ridiculous comment. That is not why the gay fraternity was established. DLP is a national fraternity that colonized on campus just like any other fraternity. There are openly gay people in “regular” fraternities too.</p>