do i have a chance at all??? please be honest

[idk2016]

<p>out of state (texas)
asian (indian)</p>

<p>gpa: 3.6</p>

<p>rank: top 10 percent (i think around 90/900)</p>

<p>mostly B's in 9th and 10th
one C in 10th
All A's in 11th</p>

<p>SAT: 2100</p>

<p>any chance?</p>

[blindtrombonist]

<p>I’ll say mid-reach…you have an upward trend which Mich loves as well as a pretty good SAT. If you list ECs I may be able to judge better, but regardless of upward trend your GPA and OOS status means it’ll probably be a reach. Don’t give up though, you can definitely get in!</p>

[patriotsfan]

<p>how tough is OOS then, people on this board make it seem impossible if you don’t have a 4.0 and 2200?</p>

[square]

<p>purely based on scores, yes you have a chance. </p>

<p>But what we say about chances is useless because we are not admission officers.</p>

[aglages]

<p>Supposedly the in-state student stats are the same as the OOS student stats, so you should have an equal opportunity to get admitted.</p>

[HARRRR]

<p>“Supposedly the in-state student stats are the same as the OOS student stats, so you should have an equal opportunity to get admitted.”</p>

<p>EXPLAIN YOURSELF</p>

[aglages]

<p>Post #77
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/947894-tuition-rate-going-up-6.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-michigan-ann-arbor/947894-tuition-rate-going-up-6.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>[Out-of-staters</a> get better grades | The Michigan Daily](<a href=“http://www.michigandaily.com/content/out-staters-get-better-grades]Out-of-staters”>Out-of-staters get better grades)

In-state students get better grades than out-of-state students in high school, but out-of-state students have higher grade point averages at the University.</p>

<p>According to an analysis of the 2007 freshman class, students from the state of Michigan had an average high school GPA of 3.8, while out-of-state students earned a 3.67.</p>

<p>Out-of-state students currently studying at the University are doing slightly better than their in-state counterparts. They have a 3.25 GPA on average while in-state students have a 3.21 average.</p>

<p>Erica Sanders, the University’s associate director of admissions, said differences in curriculum might explain the gap between in-state and out-of-state applicants’ GPAs.

@kmccrindle

So – a .04 difference while AT UM would suggest that there is a fairly even distribution of talent across the entire admission pool, to my mind. Which means perhaps we should put to bed this notion that instate students are somehow academically inferior to out-of-state students…

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[blindtrombonist]

<p>That’s pretty fascinating actually, especially considering what seems to be the trend among people on CC. But this could definitely be a reasonable argument.</p>

[aglages]

<p>^^
I know I was surprised when I read it.</p>

[Pro28]

<p>That post inspired me to look up some stuff.</p>

<p>from [University</a> of Michigan](<a href=“http://www.gradeinflation.com/Michigan.html]University”>University of Michigan)</p>

<p>Average GPA of all undergrads at UMich is 3.27. If you take out engineering undergrads with their 2.8 average and Ross kids and their 3.6 average.</p>

<p>((16223+5459+1082)<em>3.27-5459</em>2.8-1082*3.6)/16223</p>

<p>LSA has an average GPA of ~3.41. That’s, uh, high. Do the other undergraduate schools that I didn’t count (Kines, Nursing, Art/Music) all have terribly low average GPAs?</p>

[HARRRR]

<p>Okay, my point here was taken the wrong way. I thought you were implying that the same percentage of OOS and IS applicants are accepted, which is not right at all since everyone knows OOS kids have a much more difficult time getting in.</p>

<p>Btw, your findings are still very interesting.</p>

[QwertyKey]

<p>Pro28, first of all, where does the source obtain data from? Secondly, the engineering average GPA is 2.9.</p>

[Pro28]

<p>The source lists their source as the Office of the Registrar. I assume they FOIA’d the office for the average GPA. Also, I believe while the average GPA for first year engineering students is a 2.9, the average for all students is 2.8…</p>

[QwertyKey]

<p>^I had heard the other way around. 2.8 for first year, 2.9 overall, but whatever.</p>

[blackpen2008]

<p>lsa can’t have an average of a 3.4. That would mean the average in classes would be more than B+ and that certainly does not happen. Most classes are curved to a B/B-</p>

[kmccrindle]

<p>School of Music average undergraduate GPA is 3.4 – at least, according to the dean per correspondence received.</p>

[Pro28]

<p>

lsa can’t have an average of a 3.4. That would mean the average in classes would be more than B+ and that certainly does not happen. Most classes are curved to a B/B-

</p>

<p>I know that lower level math/sciences are curved to a B-. But how about lower level humanities or upper level classes with smaller audiences? Psych 111 can’t be curved to a B-, and I sort of doubt any 400-level LSA courses are also curved to a B-. An increase from 3.3 to 3.4 isn’t that high anyway…</p>

<p>PS, OP, your academics are probably okay for Michigan. It’s gonna depend on extracurriculars/essays at this point.</p>

[Emaheevul07]

<p>There needs to be a list of what all these curved classes are. I have yet to take a single curved class, ever.</p>

[Pro28]

<p>^impossible? You’ve never taken intro calc, chem, etc?</p>

[Emaheevul07]

<p>No? I did take my first two years, which amounted to about half my gen eds and my electives, at a different school but I am still taking a variety of LSA classes in different departments and at all different levels and still haven’t encountered any curved courses. I hear people going on all the time about how LSA classes are so easy because the curves are so generous and I don’t understand. o.O</p>