Do I have a snowball's chance of getting into Penn or Columbia?

<p>Give it to me straight, I think I set the bar a bit too high for myself and I don't see the point in wasting time doing transfer apps when there's a 99.9% chance I won't get in. </p>

<p>HS Record (Scary)</p>

<p>GPA-2.4 at small private school
SAT- 1490/2400 (took them hungover/still a little drunk)
EC's- Varsity Football, Varsity Wrestling, Varsity Track, about 120 hours of comm. service throughout HS. </p>

<p>College </p>

<p>GPA- 3.76 (CC)
Major- Business/Economics
Credits- 53
EC's- Phi Theta Kappa, Poli Sci Club, Business Club, Guitar Club, Dean's list, full time job, 6 months of independent research regarding asperger's syndrome. </p>

<p>Defiantly cleaned my act up since high school, but my high school stats are horrible, even with my improvement in college I don't think I have a decent shot, even though I have relatives who are Alum at Penn. Thoughts? Waste of time? Go for it? </p>

<p>Also Considering- Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Arizona State, Northeastern.</p>

<p>if you’re applying for junior standing, you may have a shot if you write awesome essays. that SAT is scary though, so while i normally don’t recommend retaking, you may want to. i think you’ll have a good shot at vanderbilt and i’d say you’re in at ne and asu.</p>

<p>Somewhat related question:</p>

<p>How much weight do colleges give your HS gpa. I got a 3.7 weighted. Assuming I got a 3.85+ in a state school honors program and all other items (recs, essay, SATs [2200+], ECs, etc.) were in line with a tier 1 school, would my HS gpa really bring me down?</p>

<p>I’m looking at Tufts, GWU, Georgetown, University of Chicago.</p>

<p>@over, If you are applying after your first yr, it will be looked at with about the same weight since they will only have your fall college grades; however, if you are applying as a jr transfer your hs stats matter little if any.
Also, if you have an upward trend, they take that into account.</p>

<p>@dazed, i agree with ironically, that SAT is quite low so you may want to consider retaking it. Not too sure about Penn or Columbia but Vandy and Northwestern dont seem too far off, with ASU and NE being safeties.</p>

<p>@Over: Typically, as you get further along in your college career, colleges put less and less emphasis on your high school record. For instance, a school will look at high school GPA, SATs, etc more closely if you are applying for sophomore standing, whereas these things will take a back seat if you are applying for junior standing. That isn’t to say that they still aren’t looked at, but they certainly are given less emphasis further down the line. And that makes sense.</p>

<p>I’d think you would only have good chances at Arizona State & Northeastern. The other schools are Ivy League/top 20 schools lol. You definitely have to retake the SAT. Aim for a 2000+. Keep up the GPA.</p>

<p>@Xcel, not true necessarily, I transferred to Vandy with an 1800 on my SAT and a 3.3 at the time of my application as a rising jr, although I did have some nice recs, ec’s and essays. from a tier 4 state school btw.</p>

<p>You need at least 1800 to not retake. Otherwise, anything below 1750 needs to be retaken for Ivies.</p>

<p>Brown, and I believe one of the other Ivies has the option of submitting SAT scores. Someone may know exactly which schools allow this?</p>

<p>Brown, Cornell, Bowdoin, Wake Forest, UNC Chapel Hill, George Washington, and NYU are some of the schools that do not require SAT scores. If anybody has more to add to the list, feel free.</p>

<p>^ cornell’s contract colleges don’t require them, but the endowed ones do</p>