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<p>Plenty of asians get the fellowships as well. Why on earth are you linking to Goldman Sachs? Are they a law firm???</p>
<p>@wayward_trojan
The last paragraph I wrote, starting with “So, who said homosexuality is twisted ?” and “They have the right to stand their position and fight for their rights” is ironic.
It shows what my official attitude in today<code>s world must be.
I gave you an example with a kid named Bryan, adopted by a gay couple.
Well, let</code>s consider for a moment that he understands his “parents” and why he has two daddies and zero mammies .
Let me ask you a question.
1)Do you think l Bryan<code>s schoolmates and neighborhood friends understand the situation and not tease him ?You know, currently having a traditional couple for parents is still considered typical; so , kids can be cruel. They can make his life a living hell.
2)How will the parents of Bryan</code>s schoolmates and neighborhood friends react ?Are they willing to let their children attending his birthday parties ?Because they will have to answer the inevitable question - why Bryan has two daddies and no mammy.
3)When taking into account these facts and some other little details that will somehow put Bryan in a disadvantaged position, how will all this affect his forming as an individual ?What will this lead to ?
No one knows.Because still there are few or no grown up people entirely raised by gay couples .
To put things in that prospective - are we ready to entirely change the idea of “family” and what will this lead to ?</p>
<p>P.S
Being homosexual or transsexual doesnt make someone a bad lawyer.I am perfectly aware that there are gay people way smarted than me; there are ones way dumber than me and this is so because gay people are just like us - not superior or inferior intellectually , mentally and physically.
However, what I cannot understand is that being gay is actually advantageous when looking for a job.I can`t understand that some people proudly announce it (I am talking about celebrities here) and are proud with it !!</p>
<p>@overachiever91:</p>
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<li><p>Imagine the harassment that children of interracial couples had to endure at the hands of racist parents and children before anti-miscegenation laws were struck down. There are most certainly children of same-sex couples who are similarly teased, but the presumed emotional trauma resulting is not sufficient justification to deny those couples the right to adopt and be parents. </p></li>
<li><p>Read above. </p></li>
<li><p>Bryan will no doubt face adversity at the hands of backward, homophobic parents and children growing up, but no more than multi-racial children did who grew up pre-Loving v. Virginia. There has never been any compelling evidence to suggest that children of same-sex couples are any more maladjusted than those of heterosexual couples. If anything, they have been shown to be as well or better adjusted.</p></li>
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<p><a href=“http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/514477[/url]”>Children of Same-Sex Couples Do as Well as Other Children;
<p>Regarding one’s sexual orientation or gender identity/expression being advantageous for a job, I feel the same way as I do about affirmative action: more harmful than helpful. </p>
<p>Regarding LGBT pride, I am in agreement insofar as I find it as ridiculous as being proud of my brown hair and frankly don’t see myself ever going to a parade. I understand the rationale, however. Pride parades, as silly, garish, and outlandish as some have been, are a symbol of solidarity and represent a refusal to be silenced in the closet. Many people are justifiably comforted by such solidarity and feel validated when they walk alongside other people who have experienced the same prejudice and are essentially in the same boat, as it is the most potent reminder that they’re not alone. I don’t see it as a question of pride, but as a public refusal to conform to the rigid gender and sexuality norms others set for us and a refusal to be ashamed of who we are. Your incredulity over LGBT pride strongly suggests that you in fact think that it’s something to be ashamed of and not mentioned in polite company. I’ll forgo the feather boa, but I pretended to like women for 16 years too long, and I’ll not be forced back into the closet, least of all by the likes of you.</p>
<p>Your statement regarding the potential consequences/societal damage of reevaluating our narrow view of the family unit is a textbook argumentum ad absurdum, and it won’t be indulged in polite company.</p>
<p>Your essential justification for denying same-sex couples adoption rights rests on the assumption that their children would be maladjusted and face such prejudice so as to cause significant, long-lasting emotional trauma and thus outweigh the right of same-sex couples to raise a family, which is contrary to the findings of the American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, and the National Association of Social Workers. Classic LSAT flaw: “…vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it presupposes without justification.”</p>
<p>@overachiever Are you proud of your heterosexuality? Are you proud of any part of you, whatsoever? What’s there to not be proud of unless you feel we’re inferior to you? One other thing… you say you can’t understand how it can be advantageous… how can it ‘not’ be? Replace “homosexual or transsexual” with race, or gender. Now you’re just being racist or sexist. See? That’s how it’s advantageous. It’s advantageous because of the fact that it ISN’T. There’s a thing called being open-minded in this country and some businesses actually don’t want to be labeled as bigots by saying “Gay ickies need not apply”</p>
<p>On your gay parents comment: So because of what “other people” might “think” that’s a reason to deny gay couples their rights and a child in foster care/adoption system a loving caring home? There was someone who brought this up about a month or two ago who worked in one of these centers with these kids that they’re quite lonely and miserable there and really looking for someone to love, they couldn’t give two ****s about their sexual orientation, they don’t care they have two mommies or two daddies, or even one mom or one dad, they just want someone to love them!</p>
<p>On your father: He sounds like a truly vile, evil man. “Perfect woman from a top school and a ‘pure’ family” sounds like a reaaaal piece of work. You should model yourself after him <em>thumbs up</em> if I were you, I’d not care if he disowned you as his son except for the money you could rip out of his hands. Men like him are the reason men like me can’t get married. Fathers love their children unconditionally, he apprantly, doesn’t. That makes me sad for you. Even my father whom I never hardly see and was rarely ever there for me loved me enough to accept me when I came out. I didn’t come out to him until just the day before the Prop 8 decision, I didn’t want him to get mad and take away my ability to see my beloved half-brothers. Do you know what he said to me? After a brief five second pause he says “Does that mean I’m supposed to treat you any different now? Or stop loving you as my son?” THAT’S a father. </p>
<p>Lastly – Hey wayward! You beat me to it.</p>
<p>Discussing with two homosexual guys whether gay couples should have the same rights as traditional ones seems illogical to me.
Have a nice life.</p>
<p>Just as illogical as trying to talk about civil rights with an African-American in 1950, I bet. Or talking about Holocaust denial with a Jew or abortion with a rape victim. On the contrary, I think it’s of paramount importance that your argument is countered by those whom it targets. If you don’t have a rational counterargument to any of my claims, then man up and just say so without resorting to ad hominems.</p>
<p>overachiever,</p>
<p>I strongly suggest changing your attitude before entering law school and the legal profession. Otherwise, you will not survive for long.</p>
<p>I cringed when I read the homophobic nonsense I read on this thread - in no small part because of the guilty knowledge that I was prone to spouting similar nonsense back in the seventies, and doubtless caused great pain to friends and acquaintances who were closeted in those times when coming out was physically and professionally dangerous.</p>
<p>It was the courage of the few who were willing to bear that risk that helped people like me see the error of our ways. For that, I shall forever be grateful.</p>
<p>There was a generation of conservatives (William F. Buckley, and Jack Kilpatrick among them) who lived long enough to experience shame at the public positions they had taken on integration when Brown v. the Board of Education and its progeny were being decided. Their mea culpa, such as it was, was generational; likewise for those of my generation who have experienced comparable awakenings with respect to sexual orientation. </p>
<p>But youthful homophobia is, frankly, a twisted combination.</p>
<p>I have never seen such excellent ■■■■■■■■!</p>
<p>Only if you are white.</p>
<p>overachiever91:</p>
<p>grow up</p>
<p>You people need to leave overachiever alone. I too was raised in a conservative family and my heart literally bleeds every time I think about how the institution of marriage, which is the sacred union between a man and a woman, is being maligned in the country and how the traditional values in the USA are slowly eroding.</p>
<p>Why can’t you all just accept the idea that some people don’t approve of the idea that being “gay” or “lesbian” is normal? I will tolerate the existence of gay married couples, but they don’t have my stamp of approval. I don’t know how long it will take me to become comfortable with the idea but I still cringe at the thought which means that day is far away.</p>
<p>^Maybe it’d interest you to know that the “institution of marriage” started out LONG LONG before Christianity OR Judaism as a means of keeping women as property (and your own Bible’s definition of marriage was man and as many women as he could afford, their ages be damned ((polymory AND pedastry at the same time!))). Much like Saturnalia, they latched on later. The argument that it’s "sacred’ is erroneous, it’s only sacred when it’s religious marriage. There’s such a thing as “Civil Marriage” and THAT’S what LGBT couples are fighting for.</p>
<p>As for your “normal” comment, it may displease you to learn that a lot of social scientists have theorized that nature is predominantly bisexual. You have read Kinsey right? He was onto this 40-50 years ago. There’s more research every day coming out showing that LGBT people make fine parents, the kids are actually better off in some cases and more open-minded than kids in two-parent households. That we’re NOT “diseased” we don’t have mental disorders and that we’re no different than you.</p>
<p>Why can’t you anti-gays accept that you’re in the wrong and the world doesn’t revolve around you and your “beliefs” which are not a legitimate reason for denying other groups their rights (which under YOUR own interpretation are God-given).</p>
<p>I am noticing that most of this so-called debate is being conducted on the basis of “tradition – I was raised in a conservative family” versus “the tide of social opinion is turning.”</p>
<p>Neither position, really, is a position on the merits. Shouldn’t traditionalists be appealing to complementarity rather than tradition in and of itself? And shouldn’t progressives be appealing to equality rather than social consensus – hopefully as complete thoughts rather than mere taglines.</p>
<p>Of course, that has nothing to do with the OP’s question here. And I suppose it’s a little much to hope for on a bulletin board.</p>
<p>Given that I can remember a time when my own marriage would have subjected my wife and I to felony conviction in much of the United States, I’m not likely to be persuaded by a nostalgic appeal to traditional rules of marriage.</p>
<p>And even though I, too, was raised in an extremely conservative family, I feel no compulsion to “leave overachiever alone” for spontaneously announcing that “gay people are twisted”. I don’t see it as a bad thing that the expression of such opinions in a public forum prompts others to castigate the holder of such opinions for bigotry.</p>
<p>the title of this thread is “do law firms treat every ethnicity equally?”
just based on that, which ethnicity do gays and lesbians belong to? none, so let’s move on.</p>
<p>by my last post i mean that gays and lesbians are in every society, so there is no technical “ethnicity” for them</p>
<p>If your heart literally bleeds, you probably have some septal defect and should consult a cardiologist. </p>
<p>@gamumirai </p>
<p>I’m not going to just sit back and “move on” while someone slanders and denigrates people that I love and care about (not to mention me) just because he has an irrational prejudice, and I suspect others feel the same. Similarly, including LGBT attorneys under the umbrella term diversity is most definitely germane to the OP’s query.</p>
<p>“I too was raised in a conservative family and my heart literally bleeds every time…”</p>
<p><em>sigh</em> Not another one of you bleeding heart conservatives.</p>