<p>will law firms hire based on ethnicity or is it based on work and scores. i was wondering because im asian.</p>
<p>Blacks and other URMs might get a boost. Asians won’t.</p>
<p>Firms hire with preference toward women, homosexuals and transsexuals, blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans.</p>
<p>^I hope the homosexuals and transsexuals thing is a joke :)</p>
<p>^ actually, it’s not. firms report how many GLBT employees they have on their NALP surveys. There is an annual GLBT lawyers’ conference with a career fair every year. I don’t think being GLBT is a particularly large booster, but some firms do consider it along with other forms of diversity.</p>
<p>I’m curious to know why you think that’s problematic but don’t seem to mind racial/gender preferences.</p>
<p>the thing about the GLBT is that it’s so easy to lie or change your feelings, it’s not set in stone like gender and (in most cases) race</p>
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When you say change your feelings, do you mean like claiming you’re gay and then when you get hired you say your straight again and, when people question you, you claim that it’s really easy to change your sexual orientation. </p>
<p>Or are you saying that it’s easy for people to actually change their orientation?</p>
<p>no, i mean actually lying and perhaps keeping with the lie, your sexual orientation isn’t on your birth certificate</p>
<p>Why I don`t find racial and gender issues problematic but I think sexual orientation is .
Well, because I consider women and people of other race equal to me.It doesnt matter what your gender or race is.
However, being a homosexual or transsexual is twisted.Sorry for being so blatant; I was raised in a traditional family.</p>
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<p>Asians definitely get a boost. You think only Blacks and Hispanics get those diversity fellowships?</p>
<p>@overachiever91:</p>
<p>Nice justification for your backward views. Don’t blame your family because you cling to logically invalid prejudices against LGBT people - own it yourself. It scares me that you’re on the law school forum and probably considering law school, as you clearly lack the rational, disinterested judgment the field so desperately needs. Frankly, it scares me that someone who could potentially wield the power of law would say something so bigoted, hurtful, and meanspirited to an entire group of people whom you don’t even know or bother to understand. Honestly, LGBT people are no different from anyone else and have the same human virtues and foibles as you or anyone you know. Read Shylock’s monologue from Merchant of Venice III, i. Shakespeare said it better than I could.</p>
<p>In any event, you’ll probably see a lot of my fellow “twisted” friends in law school and maybe myself, so it would behoove you to cultivate a more open mindset.</p>
<p>wow, I feel bad for the OP at this point</p>
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<p>Wayward_trojan has it right.</p>
<p>“You think only Blacks and Hispanics get those diversity fellowships?”</p>
<p>Native Americans get them too. Not Americans of European or Asian descent, though.</p>
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<p>@wayward_trojan,
I am good enough to hide my prejudices from professors, employers, and potential clients.I am good at being hypocrite .
A major business partner of my father is homosexual.However, he and his beloved lover are always welcome at our place.My father told me that if I were gay, I would get nothing from him.He went further saying that if I date girl who is not perfectly looking, attending a top school, coming from a decent family etc, I am not his son…
So, this is how I was raised - Officially respect the different (I don<code>t consider black people, Native Americans, women different) but ignore them in any way possible.
The problem is, the serious issue is that nowdays people are so proud to say - I am gay, I am lesbian , I am transsexual .If you don</code>t get a job and you are one of these, you are being discriminated .If you are offended because you acted carelessly, you are being discriminated.If you are denied membership of some snobby club , you are being discriminated.Can<code>t the LGBT for once consider they are not accepted because of something else ?Not because of their sexual orientation ?
As I said, the problem is that the LGBT are starting to be proud of their status.The bigger problem is that their status gives them certain privileges.For example, the above examples where they think they are denied something not because of some shortcomings of theirs but because of their sexual orientation , thus often winning in court when charging their “discriminators”. So, if one does NOT respect and denies the moral virtues , the Bible and God deserves to have these privileges ?Is this what today</code>s world is like ?
Another privilege - you already mentioned that being “different” can get you the job.
Now imagine the following situation.
A gay couple gets married and adopt a child.Eight years later the child asks - daddy , why I have two daddies and Bryan has a daddy and a mommy ?
Is this natural ?Do you approve this ?How is it possible that a traditional and conservative society as the law one not only to accept this but also approve it ?
I am shocked.
However, I think I<code>d better stop here.
I haven</code>t insulted anyone, just stated my opinion.
The problem is, again, that I cannot state it “officially” in today`s society and actually succeed in it.So, there are two types of people who do not approve homosexuality and transsexuality - skin heads and traditional people like me.Well, I believe I represent the more successful of the two.
So, who said homosexuality is twisted ?These are perfectly natural people with foibles and virtues just like us.They have the right to stand their position and fight for their rights; In fact, the business partner of my father is my paragon of virtue - someone, I truly admire , someone who represents our current society.</p>
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So calling people "twisted" and below you is not an insult?
[quote] The problem is, again, I cannot state it "officially" in today`s society and actually succeed in it.
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<p>I wouldn’t exactly consider that a problem.</p>
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<p>Our society is so much larger and more diverse than our once “traditional and conservative society.” Do you not agree that it’s time to spread the net a little wider and include the differences of everyone?</p>
<p>And I would hope that any parent would be honest with his/her children and tell them the truth as to why Bryan or whoever has two mommies/daddies. Why hide a group of people that defines a portion of our society and who your children might encounter at some point in their lives?</p>
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I havent called anyone on CC twisted.I said that this is the general perspective of many people who are only willing to state it in an anonymous forum.</p>
<p>The last question - " So, who said homosexuality is twisted ? " - was ironic.It presents the opinion of people who are not approving the different sexual orientations but cannot say it officially because they will be considered racists though I cannot see how is it racist do defend the moral integrity of our society.</p>
<p>“Is this natural?”</p>
<p>Define “nature.” What is “natural?”</p>
<p>Do you mean “normal”–as in, “typical?”</p>
<p>If so, what’s problematic about being atypical?</p>
<p>“they will be considered racists”</p>
<p>“Race” and “sexual orientation” are rather different things. Do you mean “homophobic?”</p>
<p>“I cannot see how is it racist do defend the moral integrity of our society.”</p>
<p>Explain how homosexuality and transgenderism threaten “the moral integrity of our society.” How is this a moral issue in the first place?</p>
<p>Please don’t actually respond to these questions here. They are for you to think about.</p>
<p>I sure am glad I’ll never see you in a court of law.</p>
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<p>Let’s play LSAT for a moment: You wrote very clearly, “However, being a homosexual or transsexual is twisted.” </p>
<p>Q: I am a gay man and user of CC. Which of the following follows logically from these premises?</p>
<p>A: You called me and every other LGBT user of this forum twisted.</p>
<p>It doesn’t take a 180 to deduce why LGBT users or supporters might be offended by the statement that their sexual orientation or gender identity is objectionable on the grounds that it does not conform to your preconceived (indeed logically invalid) notions thereof. It does, however, require phenomenal logical prowess to bridge the disjunction in your reasoning. You find homosexuality distasteful and are shocked at the prospect of children hearing about two men in a monogamous romantic relationship, yet state that you have no problem with efforts to stand and fight for LGBT rights and indeed express admiration for a gay man and see him as an equal. Moreover, you state that expressing such an opinion is not offensive. I speak for everyone when I say that I am supremely confused. </p>
<p>I actually am interested in you explaining yourself perhaps because there exist no arguments against gay rights or objections to homosexuality that are not predicated upon invalid premises (e.g., Christian mythology, heterosexual insecurity), logical fallacies, or that serve a compelling societal or governmental interest. This is hardly new and I sincerely doubt that we can have a rational argument about this, but even if you don’t respond, I want to speak for every other LGBT person on the forum and off: It’s extremely hurtful to presuppose without any justification (more LSAT…couldn’t resist) that we’re bad or dangerous people simply because we don’t subscribe to Christian mythology or simply because we don’t express our genders in ways that you deem conventional. I know I’m asking you to shed literally millennia of tradition, which is no small undertaking, but I assure you, if you try and put yourself in our shoes for just an instant, you’ll start to understand why it makes us so sad and angry to be told from day one by teachers, parents, friends, brothers, that we’re inferior and morally deviant, or worse, unworthy of love. I don’t mean to beat a dead bard, but Shakespeare was right in Merchant of Venice. We’re not materially different from you where it counts: we have the same goals, fears, passions, virtues, and vices as every human. Do you really think that just because I want to be romantically involved with another consenting adult man instead of a woman that I’m somehow threatening a basic societal good or virtue? Check your premises.</p>
<p>By the way, I’m actually more hurt by educated, wealthy homophobes than the skinheads or KKK members. You don’t have the excuse of bad education or poverty to justify your prejudice, you simply continue to harbor it even after your faulty logic has been exposed, perhaps because it’s easier than learning to empathize and admitting you may need to reevaluate the situation. Don’t think that you can cloak yourself in the freedom of speech to parry criticism - you make very bold accusations and you can’t shirk your intellectual duty to defend them simply because you’re “stating an opinion.” You’re on a law school forum with all of us other wannabe JDs, so start acting like a lawyer and marshall some rational, objective, and logically coherent evidence in your defense. Keep in mind that those parameters obviously would exclude mythology, religion, appeals to tradition, arguments to the absurd (and other commonly employed logical fallacies), fear, and sexual insecurity. I hear crickets…</p>