DO NOT GO TO W&M - Advice from a Graduating Senior

<p>As a current senior at William & Mary, I wanted to share my experiences with prospective students. I will start out by saying that if I had to do it again, I would NEVER EVER choose William & Mary again. I think it is safe to say, most students I have talked to feel the same way. These are the main reasons:</p>

<p>1.) Academics</p>

<p>William & Mary has the reputation of being a "sweat shop" where all students do is work. This is such a prevalent reputation, that the Admissions Office has instructed tour guides to make a special point to say "Yes, William & Mary is hard, but it's manageable" or "No, William & Mary students do not work all the time" in an effort to dismiss these rumors. The tour guides' statements are completely false, and all of the tour guides know this. All W&M students do is work. My freshmen year, our library had to institute a policy that closed the group study rooms from 4AM - 8AM during exams because students would camp out, sleep, and eat there. What kind of school has that kind of culture? A few years ago, a viral video went around of the literal stampede that occurred when the library opened its doors for exam hours. A girl was trampled. I am serious. This actually happens here.</p>

<p>Furthermore, there is a strong culture of grade deflation at W&M. In one of the General Education Requirement courses I took my freshmen year, the professor said most students scored in the B and C range on our first midterm. The professor then said "so everyone is exactly where they should be." Professors aim for these grades at William & Mary. This puts students at a severe disadvantage when applying for jobs and grad schools. So many of the Ivy League schools do inflate their grades, that is makes it hard for William & Mary students to remain competitive. This only adds to students' stress and forces them to work harder.</p>

<p>The reality of graduation has just hit one of my good friends here particularly hard. He realizes his time is up, and he keeps telling me how sorry he is that he worked so much through school. He feels like his entire college career was spent in the library. </p>

<p>2.) Fun</p>

<p>All of the rumors about W&M not being a "fun" school are 100% true. Students lie and say they have fun, but if you are looking for a "party" atmosphere, run away. The main part of this problem is #1...all students do is work, but there are other factors as well.</p>

<p>Greek Life is one of the only things that keeps people at this school. I cannot tell you how many times I have heard a student say "if it wasn't for my fraternity/sorority, I would have transferred my freshmen year." It's a shame that people feel stuck to a school just because they already joined a greek organization. Although the school recently built us new fraternity houses, do not be fooled and think that the school is trying to improve greek life (more on this later).</p>

<p>Further compounding the problem is the the school does not support Greek Life at all. They built the new frat houses to make it look like William & Mary has a "roaring Greek Life", but in reality, we do not. There is absolutely no partying in the houses, and 21 year olds can't even be in possession of one can of beer outside their personal bedroom. These new houses have also pushed all of the partying off-campus. This means that students are wondering around Williamsburg late at night, looking for parties. It also makes them much more likely to get picked up by the miserable Williamsburg Police (William & Mary police patrol the school and definitely look out for the students...not the case of the Williamsburg PD. They just want to fill their quotas).</p>

<p>Providing further proof that the school didnt build the houses for the benefit of the fraternities: in the first year the houses were around, 2 of the 14 fraternities were never allowed to move in because of silly rule infractions. Regular students filled these houses. There is a rumor of a third house becoming regular housing next year. One year out and already 15% of the greek houses aren't greek. I don't even want to know what the percentage will be in 5 years. 50%?</p>

<p>The other problem with "fun" at William & Mary is Williamsburg is hopelessly isolated. We have every chain restaurant you could possibly imagine, but that's pretty much it. When friends from other schools come to visit, they cannot believe how little there is to do. Even the bar scene is hopelessly pathetic.</p>

<p>3.) School Pride</p>

<p>The Admissions Office makes a special point of telling Tour Guides to talk about our "Green and Gold Tribe Pride" on tours. They do this because William & Mary has a reputation of no school spirit. This is a wise move by the Admissions Office because it is 100% true. There is virtually zero school spirit on campus, and most students will never go to an athletic event while at W&M. Luckily, our athletic teams are almost always terrible, so I guess we are not missing out on much.</p>

<p>On the non-athletic side of things, students just don't feel a strong bond to William & Mary. Most students laugh when alumni giving is discussed, and the only reason the senior gift is mildly successful is because they give students mugs for donating that entitles them to discounted beer at a local bar. Apparently this has been a problem for years because our alumni giving is abysmal. We have one of the smallest endowments compared to similar schools, and the lack of money at William & Mary really shows. Registration is an absolute nightmare because there are not enough classes/professors, and the school is in dire need of some serious infrastructure improvements. As an example, one of our main academic buildings, Morton, which houses some of the schools biggest departments (gov, econ, and others) is sinking each year and is a total dump. As of now, there have been no plans to upgrade the building. There are numerous examples of this all over campus. The freshmen dorm that tours see is a palace compared to some of the other freshmen dorms.</p>

<p>Furthermore, the brand new fraternity houses that were just build were obviously constructed as cheaply as possible. There have been numerous flooding problems, and the heat/AC is constantly broken.</p>

<p>A few times in this article, I have pointed out moments where I say the tour guides lie. This may seem strange to you. Why would someone volunteer an hour of their day to lie to people about a school they don't even like? One reason is you can apply to be a tour guide as early as November of your freshmen year. Many times, students are already tour guides before they know whether they like the school or not. So why don't they quit? Many do. However, along with the high-stress academic culture I described earlier, there is also a "I must get involved with as much as possible"
culture. In part due to the grade deflation leading to low GPAs, W&M students feel pressured to get involved in as many extracurriculars as possible in order to be competitive for jobs and grad school.</p>

<p>Some of the common, negative stereotypes about William & Mary include "where dreams go to die" and "the suicide school." Do I think it is this bad? No, but I sure would never in a million years choose this place again. Many say college is the "best four years of your life." My time at William & Mary has been far from it. Don't make the same mistake I made. If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them.</p>

<p>I forgot to mention… The common question asked is “If W&M is so bad, why didn’t you transfer.” As I said in my previous post, W&M professors aim for C and B grades. It is nearly impossible to transfer into a similar caliber school with those grades. Most students figure that it is better to “tough it out” and graduate with the “W&M name” then go to a worse school</p>

<p>Before everyone jumps in and tiger-claws this OP to death, I’d like to note that I enjoy reading these letters on CC…yes, they’re often isolated experiences…and other current students ( whether this letter is in the Brown or Tufts or UAB threads) will say they had nothing like this experience…but I get a lot out of understanding the weak parts of these top colleges…it gives me a better perspective as a parent who’s planning to pay for it all…</p>

<p>Well, I just received a kinda condescending letter from W&M, telling me that with my financial situation I probably can’t afford their school. I don’t know how true this is, but this letter definitely helps right now :slight_smile: </p>

<p>I could see a similar letter about a lot of schools. Not W&M. I have a nephew there, and my BIL is an active alum. Know several kids who went there, all recent alums Not their view at all, and they are very rounded individuals, not type As at all. So, I am puzzled about this view. Not saying it isn’t there, but how pervasive and accurate this is . I can think of a lot of schools that fit this, but not W&M.</p>

<p>wmstudent14, I’m sorry that you spent what might have been 4 happy, fulfilling years at a college where you were neither happy nor fulfilled. For the benefit of others reading this thread, I’d like to answer some of the points you’ve made.</p>

<p>When you say “W&M professors aim for C and B grades,” that’s at odds with the Registrar’s posted transcript key: <a href=“Transcript Key | William & Mary”>http://www.wm.edu/offices/registrar/studentsandalumni/studentrecords/transcripts/transkey/index.php&lt;/a&gt; This shows that 44 percent of all undergrad grades were in the A range, including plus and minus grades, in 2010 (the last year for which I can find data). In that same year, 34.7 were in the B range (again including plus and minus grades). Only 11.5 percent of grades were in the C range. Grades have actually risen at the College since 2010, when the average undergrad GPA was 3.23.</p>

<p>Much has been written about grade deflation at W&M. The average undergrad GPA at W&M was 3.28 in spring of 2013: <a href=“http://www.wm.edu/offices/greeks/documents/scholarship/GPASpring2013_Overview.pdf”>http://www.wm.edu/offices/greeks/documents/scholarship/GPASpring2013_Overview.pdf&lt;/a&gt; Grades are mildly deflated at W&M, not cripplingly so. Involvement in Greek Life has an interesting effect on grades: sorority members post higher GPAs than the average undergrad GPA; fraternity members post slightly lower GPAs than that average.</p>

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ECs, with very few exceptions, do not get students into grad schools and are less important than undergrad GPA in being hired. If W&M students pursue ECs for that reason (I doubt that many do), they are wasting their time.</p>

<p>frazzled1-</p>

<p>Like any school, there are easy classes that help to balance out the GPA. Math Powered Flight, for example, is notoriously easy. It just depends if you want to take meaningful, challenging courses or if you want to squeak by college taking the easiest possible classes. I assure you, there are people that have mastered this.</p>

<p>To your next point…
If you think a 3.28 is going to get you very far with a job or grad school, you are mistaken. Please see this link: <a href=“http://law-school.findthebest.com/saved_search/Tier-1-Law-Schools”>http://law-school.findthebest.com/saved_search/Tier-1-Law-Schools&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>You will notice that with a 3.28 GPA, you fall well below the median admitted GPA. For reference, the #50 school has a median admitted GPA of 3.42 (University of Houston Law Center…whatever that is).</p>

<p>Please see this link to see a similar list for medical schools: <a href=“The Top 100 Medical Schools”>http://www.medical-school-insider.com/top-100-medical-schools.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>You will notice that with a 3.28 GPA, you fall well below the average admitted GPA, For reference, the #91 school (University of South Carolina) has an average GPA of 3.73</p>

<p>I understand that these may be less than reputable sources. However, I think my point has been made, and they were the first hit on google.</p>

<p>If you decide not to do grad school, the minimum GPA to apply for a majority of jobs posted on William & Mary’s career website, Tribe Careers, is a 3.2. To give a few specific examples, J.P. Morgan is 3.2, Morgan Stanley is 3.5, Deloitte Consulting is 3.5, and I believe the Big - 4 Accounting firms are 3.2 as well, not totally sure though.</p>

<p>To me, this says William & Mary students are at a severe disadvantage when applying for jobs/schools. We all know this, and students try to boost their chances by participating in extra circulars.</p>

<p>I’m not sure if you have anything to do with W&M or not, but I go here… I see/hear student frustrations every day.</p>

<p>Sorry for the late response. I have been in the library since 7PM</p>

<p>I paid the full sticker price to send two OOS students to W&M. One graduated in 2005, one in 2012 (and completed her masters at W&M the following year). I feel as if I know the school as well as a parent/non-alum can - many campus visits, lots of acquaintances who attended, etc. My kids were involved with Greek life, had to work hard for good grades, got their first jobs out of school in part because of the W&M diploma. Somehow they loved their years at W&M - though not every minute, especially at exam time. Even in a STEM major, one posted a 3.4 GPA with lots of time for socializing. She didn’t live at the library, believe me.</p>

<p>I’m sure there are other students like you on campus, and I’m sorry you find yourself feeling this way at the end of what could have been 4 great years. My perspective is that a school where students have to work hard for good grades, and where Greek life is held accountable by the administration, is admirable - but I understand your viewpoint is different. I wouldn’t have wanted to spend upwards of $250,000 so that my kids could party conveniently and post a easy A-minus in every class. There are schools where that happens, and students reading this thread who want that experience should seek them out.</p>

<p>When you point out that a 3.2 is required by many employers to interview on campus - the undergrad GPA average is higher than that by nearly a tenth of a point. I agree that a 3.28 won’t get a student far in grad school admissions. Yet admissions to grad school from W&M are excellent. The fact is that the average GPA at any reputable college is not going to get you into grad school - you’ve got to distinguish yourself academically for those competitive slots. Many students at W&M do just that every year.</p>

<p>Your complaints seem to be filtered through a Greek Life perspective. Since involvement in Greek Life is limited to about 30 percent of students at W&M, yours is not the majority viewpoint. I think you’ve provided a valuable service to students whose perspective is similar to yours, though. They won’t be happy at W&M. No school is for everyone.</p>

<p>I am super involved on campus and have an extremely diverse friend group. I promise you, my viewpoint is the majority. I’m not sure why you are so interested in this thread given both of your children have left. Furthermore, one left over 8 years ago and another 2 years ago. Again, I am here. I have friends that didn’t get into any grad schools or get a job and are struggling with what they are going to do after grad. I find it vey strange that you are following this thread so closely.</p>

<p>No student wants to skirt by here. Why would you come to a school like W&M if that was your goal? It doesn’t have a fun reputation like I mentioned earlier. It has a reputation of being a “sweat shop.” I, like the other students here, came to work hard.</p>

<p>My point is that students here are at a disadvantage for no reason. If you work the “average” amount, you have below a B+ average. We go to a lower ranked school and get lower cumulative GPAs. There is no reason for this.</p>

<p>The point of my original post was to show people that a large portion of the students here hate it. Does every student? No. The quidditch team members all seem very happy. Staying in and reading Harry Potter on a Friday night is socializing for them. Those are the kids that like William & Mary. The saying here at WM is “1/3 of the students are athletes, 1/3 of the students are in Greek life, and 1/3 of the students never leave their room.”</p>

<p>Also, there is no denying my points about the stampede at the library or the policy to prevent students from living in the library during finals. I think that speaks volumes about the kind of culture found here at William & Mary. </p>

<p>Here is the link to the stampede if anyone is interested: <a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/campus-overload/post/william-and-mary-students-occupy-the-library-to-study/2011/12/06/gIQAQUHGaO_blog.html”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/campus-overload/post/william-and-mary-students-occupy-the-library-to-study/2011/12/06/gIQAQUHGaO_blog.html&lt;/a&gt; (link from the Washington Post on it)</p>

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I find it a bit strange that you should wait until the last weeks of your senior year to warn people off of William and Mary. How many more students might you have helped if you’d posted as an unhappy freshman, sophomore, junior? But a main function of CC is to provide unhappy students and parents a place to vent, so later is better than never, I suppose.</p>

<p>Another function is for posters to provide facts as well as their individual perspectives about schools and college issues. There is no rule against former students and parents posting here. You may find it very strange, but CC is not reserved only for current students. I understand that other discussion boards are.</p>

<p>I originally decided to respond to your thread because of your inaccurate statement that W&M professors aim for B and C grades. The school documents that 44 percent of its grades in 2010 were in the A range, when the average undergrad GPA was .05 percent lower than it is now, indicating that, if anything, the number of grades awarded in the A range may well have increased since then.</p>

<p>I don’t question that you are genuine in your antipathy toward W&M, nor that many of your friends feel the same way. </p>

<p>Thank you @frazzled1 for chiming in. This discussion has gotten my attention. My S14, is still deciding between William and Mary and a smaller LAC. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I believe that both perspectives are probably valid but come from different POVs. </p>

<p>Another W&M parent here. DD graduated 3 years ago and will get her Master’s from UMich next week. </p>

<p>I started kind of late on CC–Fall of D’s senior year of HS. It still guided me in suggesting possible schools to which she might apply, although she made her own choices (including refusing to apply to UVA, to my chagrin) and her own selection of W&M. It was not her first choice but her favorite would be too expensive (she had the “spend mom and dad’s support now on undergraduate, or go to state school and save the balance for grad school” choice). I was concerned, since she’s both shy and quirky, but she never looked back. She found friends through a couple of special interests, and they all loved W&M and have been successful in grad school, law school, and job hunts since then. They were all smart and studied pretty hard, but found ample time for social activities and to support causes they believed in. Even though D’s shyness extended to a fear of approaching profs, when she did they were all very supportive and we believe their recommendations, even a year after her graduation since she took a year off (long story) helped get her into grad school with great support for an MS degree.</p>

<p>Other than the inevitable couple of stinko profs, DD never had any of the problems OP reports. </p>

<p>I’m still on CC mostly in the Parents Cafe, but I regularly check out schools I have some connection to or which have some news. This is my first post on the college/university forum in a long, time, just to provide another positive experience.</p>

<p>Thanks smdur1970 – just spoke with S14 who is still on the fence between W&M and another choice. All of the input helps :)! </p>

<p>Yes, input from many sources is good. I’d like to hear other people weigh in. Daughter is deciding between W&M and a comparable school that offered her a good merit scholarship. We’re OOS and she didn’t qualify for financial aid from W&M. Finances are a definite consideration. She is also one of those kids who has no interest in sororities and chose schools where Greek life wasn’t important. She is a huge Harry Potter fan.:)</p>

<p>I just got accepted today as a transfer student, and I had no intention of committing, but this cements my opinion even further. I totally got the impression of these things when I visited last month. Thank you!</p>

<p>The OP has his perspective and opinion, but I think the error is in his assumption that it’s the majority. If you are looking for a party school with heavy Greek life and easy grades, this isn’t it, and you know that going in. My family’s experiences at WM have been that it met the expectations socially - and it is what you make of it. My D found the early music ensemble, and the local ballet, and the regional symphony, and the local theater group, and the Relay for Life, and the school society groups that held monthly meetings at Aromas, etc. And then she went back from those meetings and concerts and shows and did her school work. It prepared her for grad school, and it prepares you for life. You have to own your performance. </p>

<p>Make the comparisons among schools like the state unis, the LACs and like schools. I put W&M in a peer group with schools like Rice, Wake, JHU and they do all tend to be intense academically. That’s why some students go for them But some schools, like JHU, Tufts, Cornell have more the TYPE A personality vibe than others. It’s my opinion W&M does not. No dog in this fight as I have no immediate family member who has gone there. I have no reason to endorse or defend this. </p>

<p>We appreciated the OP’ perspective and are not here to invalidate it but we do want prospective students and parents to know that all we ask of our tour guides is that they share their W&M experience honestly and professionally. We do not provide them a script for their tours. Sure we provide them some training and guidance but we in no way encourage them to share a dishonest perspective. Additionally, while yes you can become a Tour Guide as a freshman, very few do. The hiring process is selective so most of our Tour Guides begin as sophomores or juniors. And very few quit (and when they do it’s generally due to other commitments or class schedules that don’t overlap well with tour schedules not because they’ve grown to dislike W&M). As the OP mentioned, our Tour Guides volunteer. We do not pay them. They Tour Guide because they genuinely love W&M. It is not in our interest to have Tour Guides lie and attract students by selling them a false bill of goods. Then we wind up with students who aren’t a good match and that doesn’t do them or W&M any good. We are certainly sorry that the OP has not had a good experience and we recognize that that will happen. But we do believe our 95% retention rate for freshmen is a good indication of student success and happiness and again, our Tour Guides are encouraged only to share their experience honestly and enthusiastically with our visitors. </p>

<p>I graduated from W&M in 2011, so I was a senior while the original poster was a freshman. I actually haven’t been on this site or posted for a few years, but feel compelled to share my experience and address the original post.</p>

<p>1) Academics - I graduated magna cum laude with a double major in accounting and government. While at W&M, I actually very seldom spent a ton of time at the library or studying. I would probably estimate that I spent on average about 10 hours per week outside of classes doing work, with most of that coming on Sundays (i.e. probably did about 4 hours of work outside of class during the school week and caught up with a 6 hour cram session on Sunday afternoon/evening usually while watching NFL games in the Fall). To be honest, I had more free time than what I knew what to do with and so did all of my friends because most of that free time was spent goofing off with them. </p>

<p>There are people at W&M who will say that GPAs are deflated. In actuality most of the kids that do this complaining don’t do any work whatsoever and just love to complain. In my personal experience, I found it hard as hell to get anything below a B at W&M if you just did minimal work. To be fair, I was not a math, physics, or computer science major or one of the pre-med kids who had to take the intro to bio and orgo weed-out courses, but neither are most of the kids who are crying grade deflation. And also, the majors I mentioned typically have lower GPAs at all schools and in general considered more rigorous, that’s not a W&M specific thing. I also knew plenty of kids who majored in these disciplines and were successful with putting the effort in (I’d estimate that most of the kids I knew with high GPAs in these disciplines probably put about 20 hours of work in outside of class each week, substantially more than business and other disciplines but still very manageable).</p>

<p>Basically the point that I’m trying to get at is that if a kid is spending every waking moment either in class, in the library, eating, or school extracurricular activities and that kid doesn’t have a high GPA there is something really wrong with the kid. I can actually tell you what exactly is wrong with most of the kids who do this complaining at W&M, it’s that they complain that they spend all this time in the library and can still only manage a 3.0 GPA and their an International Relations major. Like I mentioned above, in my experience, it’s hard to NOT get at least a B in most classes at W&M if you try. So how the hell are these kids spending all this time at Swem and unable to get over what I’m saying is the minimum GPA you can get if you just exert minimal effort in all of your classes? It’s because they have awful time management. These kids who complain that they work so hard and can’t get a decent GPA might spend 5 hours a day in the library everyday after class but I promise you that they are not doing 6 hours of work in that time. In actuality they are spending probably < 1 hour actually studying. I know this sounds hard to believe (or maybe not if you also went to W&M) but this is entirely true. Out of the 5 hours they are there, 1 is spent on Facebook, 1 is spent on Twitter, 1 is spent playing Robot Unicorn, 1 hour is spent texting their friends and thinking of anything they could do besides sitting in the library not studying, and maybe a max of 1 hour is spent doing actual work. </p>

<p>If I remember correctly, it was actually my senior year when that whole trampling to get into Swem thing happened and the school started shutting down the library for a few hours every night during finals weeks so kids had to leave every night instead of sleeping there. To clarify, Swem is not typically open 24 hours a day. When I was there it used to close at 2 am Sunday - Thursday and like early on Friday and Saturday, I think at 5 pm. During, I think, my junior year they started having “special” finals exam period hours where it was open 24 hours during most of finals exams period. What happened that year was that literally the group that got a study room the first day, held it for the ENTIRE exam period. Not that a group of five would actually all be in the room simultaneously for the whole period but they would have at least one person in the room at all times and everyone else would leave their stuff there and just squat the entire time, sort of like a tent in Krzyzewskiville. Most of these kids who were in Swem the whole fricking day actually were not doing any work whatsoever, rather they just liked the idea of having a study room in the library for them and their friends where they could all goof off together and pretend to study and complain about how crappy their GPAs are together but they have no idea why because they have this study room in the library where they sit and check their Facebooks and Twitters all day. </p>

<p>So what happened the next year was kids (probably a group of 40 or so judging from the video) LINED up outside of the library to try and claim one of these study rooms on the first day of final exams period so they could claim one of these pretend to study rooms for them and their friends and spend the next two weeks goofing off in the library together and then pull all nighters before their tests just to get in 2 hours of studying for their final because they wasted all of the normal hours in the day goofing off. So then there was such a demand to goof off in the library that kids who missed the boat on the study rooms decided to pitch tents so they could have even more fun pretending to study in the library and pretending to camp at the same time. So to sum up, most of these kids were going to the library to socialize and not study. That may sound nerdy in its own sense, that they are going to the library to socialize but if you ask them most of them will freely admit this. Most kids at W&M know that going to Swem during finals is the WORST place to go to get studying done, it’s really just a place to go and catch up with your friends for a few hours. </p>

<p>Just to further address this misconception that W&M is somehow more rigorous than its peer schools and its GPAs are more “deflated” just spend a few minutes looking at this website: <a href=“http://www.gradeinflation.com/”>http://www.gradeinflation.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>If anything you’ll see that W&M’s GPA comes in at about the same level as other public schools that rank comparably (ie Berkeley, UVA, UCLA, UNC, UMich, Georgia Tech, etc.) W&M’s average GPA is actually higher in certain instances. W&M may have been notorious for grade deflation at some point but now it’s really a misconception perpetuated by lazy, whiners who are awful at time management and love wasting their time doing anything but studying while sitting in a library. </p>

<p>Also, let me touch on OP’s point on grad school/employment prospects. Most of the GPA cutoffs that OP listed sound about right. It makes sense right, why would a Big 4 accounting firm want to hire an accounting major who couldn’t maintain a GPA that is BELOW AVERAGE? Like we already discussed an average GPA at W&M is about a 3.3 these days and their cut-off GPA is 3.2, if I’m a Big 4 firm, why would I want to hire someone who couldn’t maintain an average GPA while in school? If anything it’s a testament that they are willing to dip that low into the class to recruit from W&M. I have been employed at a Big 4 firm since I graduated and I can tell you that the GPA cutoffs are NOWHERE near that low for some of the other schools that we recruit at. They are similar for similarly ranked schools (i.e. Wake Forest, UVA, Georgetown, etc), but for the schools that are ranked a lot lower (i.e. George Mason, James Madison, etc.) </p>

<p>I am running out of time, but have a lot to address. I can come back later if anyone is actually reading this and finding this useful, let me know. Feel free to ask specific questions and I’ll check in when I can…</p>