<p>crazy,</p>
<p>Like I said, God is not in space-time. Time does not apply to him. There is no “Where”.</p>
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<p>That’s ridiculous. He is not acting as God, he is acting in persona Christi.</p>
<p>You cannot say that you are Roman Catholic in anything but baptism if you arbitrarily reject Magisterial teaching. It doesn’t work that way.</p>
<p>God exists.</p>
<p>Will someone define “God”?</p>
<p>I don’t know if you mean the omnipotent, omnipresent being or if you are merely referring to a force (or something entirely different).</p>
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<p>If God exists, he must exist some’where’. Otherwise, he would not exist…</p>
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<p>It’s estimated that the amount of stars is equivalent to the grains of sand on Earth, actually. That’s just an educated guess though, since we can’t even see all of the stars in the universe, due to astronomical constraints.</p>
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<p>No they all don’t.</p>
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<p>Why do people keep quoting Stan Lee?</p>
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<p>Not necessarily.</p>
<p>@Baelor- Good post, perfect defense of priests.</p>
<p>“If something cannot come from nothing, then from what does God come?”</p>
<p>Well, nothing, because he is GOD. He is simply existence itself. (I am who am.) And that’s where we reach the limits of human comprehension I think. Thinking of God in a scientific context can only get you so far, because in the end God is above and beyond anything that we can even think. Again I feel like I’m harping on this but go search “Father Barron” on YouTube. In one video he talks about belief in God not being irrational but suprarational, or above mere logic.</p>
<p>Yeah I retract that previous comment. I’m kinda distracted. This is my last post cause I wanna go to sleep.</p>
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<p>If you accept the premise that anything that exists is ‘something’, then God is something, regardless of where he is, or where he isn’t (because where doesn’t exist, and time doesn’t exist there, for him). If God is something, then under your premise, he had to come from something else, which is a pointless argument that goes to infinity.</p>
<p>I really want to see you
Really want to be with you
Really want to see you lord
But it takes so long, my lord
Harrison was so underrated</p>
<p>And that’s why they call it religion…</p>
<p>He doesn’t exist in time or space, He is uncreated, He can defy every physical and logical law known. Oh, and He is a He.</p>
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<p>Why would you believe in something you cannot comprehend?</p>
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If he created space and time, he would have to exist outside of them.
If he created everything, logically he would be uncreated.
Assuming he invented those laws, logically he would be able to break them.</p>
<p>Not arguing either ways, but I don’t understand what you are saying.</p>
<p>“If he created space and time, he would have to exist outside of them.
If he created everything, logically he would be uncreated.
Assuming he invented those laws, logically he would be able to break them.”</p>
<p>I think that’s right.</p>
<p>@nonantianarchist
Not being able to comprehend God fully in all his power does not mean I cannot know God, or love God. “If you could understand Him, He would not be God” -Augustine</p>
<p>I don’t mean to be rude, but I can hardly consider any of your contingencies as logical.</p>
<p>And even if they were logical, what’s the point? You just demonstrated that logic is not absolute. Come to think of it, you basically just said, “Logically, logic does not apply to God”.</p>
<p>Also, did he create himself? He must have come to exist somehow. If he has existed infinitely, then why can’t the universe?</p>
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<p>You can’t even comprehend how he exists, much less all his powers. I’m not sure how you can “know” something you can not comprehend; that seems contradictory.</p>
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Please point out where exactly my logic fails me.</p>
<p>I think you’re still thinking of God in a scientific framework, which is understandable. It only works to a point, though. God is beyond science, he cannot be “proved” in a scientific proof. That does not mean he does not exist though.</p>
<p>“You can’t even comprehend how he exists, much less all his powers. I’m not sure how you can “know” something you can not comprehend; that seems contradictory.”</p>
<p>No human can ever truly know what is going on in anothers mind. I cannot fully comprehend my brother, what is deepest identity is, at a deep spiritual level who he is, what all his yearnings and motivations are. That does not mean I do not know him, and know him well. That does not mean that I do not love him. A bit of a simplistic analogy, but I think it works.</p>
<p>I have to get a summer fellowship application together tonight, but I’ll continue the discussion when I have the time.</p>
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<p>I have always wondered this, myself.</p>
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<p>This is where theists and I will forever differ. I simply cannot believe in something that cannot rationally or logically collect evidence. I don’t know how someone can wake up in the morning and say “I’m going to believe in God today,” or even when they are born. I think it’s the INTJ in me - I just can’t take everything that is spoon fed to me.</p>
<p>Right… So what’s special about THIS off-topic thread that makes it SO much better than the sexuality threads? Or the one I made complaining about good threads being not just closed but removed? Heh.</p>
<p>"This is where theists and I will forever differ. I simply cannot believe in something that cannot rationally or logically collect evidence. "</p>
<p>Do you believe in love? I don’t mean lust, or chemical hormonal attraction that you can measure, but something deeper. The love that causes a mother to give her life for her child, or for a father to starve to feed his child. There is something deeper there, spiritually, than you can measure scientifically, and you cannot “rationally or logically collect evidence” on it. But nonetheless I believe in love, just as I believe in God. And, of course, God is love, so maybe it’s not an analogy at all.</p>
<p>We’re having deep philosophical discussion lol.</p>
<p>So what u r saying is that u want to beleive in a god that can be proven through a mathematical formula or law of physics?
If he can be proven through it he wouldnt be god because god has no limits and can not be confined because he has no limits nor can he be completely understood.
Also stop trying to figure out God by comparing him to humans because thats just stupid.</p>