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<p>I mean getting a low GPA in Haas won't help students get more prosperous condition.</p>
<p>lol zzyanzhichao</p>
<p>corporations, atleast those on a larger scale, have recruiting departments. all they do is recruit. they SPECIALIZE in recruiting.
it would be an insult to their job to assume they don't do research on a school's curve system before recruiting.</p>
<p>people aren't as dumb as u think =)</p>
<p>Even if you know that they have grade deflation, will you choose a graduate from Haas who have a 2.5 GPA over someone with 4.0 from other schools?
It just doesn't make sense to me by saying that only because they know Berkeley has grade deflation, they will think that Haas students with a much lower GPA are more talented and will overperform others in their future careers.</p>
<p>from what the dean told my lecture class, it is the recruiters who requested a so called "greater distinction between students"
i feel that u overestimate the weight of ur GPA when u get a job.
but i do agree this year's grade deflation is scary. midterms with a class average of C+ i think. don't even talk about recruitment, some people are gonna have trouble graduating. *crosses fingers</p>
<p>That is scary stuff. Hope you don't turn your back on Hongda and vrlobo when they need help, haha.</p>
<p>actually, the school does not recognize any specialty concentration (marketing, finance, accounting, etc)....you can take electives in those fields, but your diploma and transcript look exactly the same as everyone elses in the business school....no distinctions for concentrations....trust me, i go here now....which by the way is friggin awesome for all you who are wondering.</p>
<p>Interesting take since Guardiangel makes it seem like hell. Can you tell us a little bit more of what it's like? How're the other students? What're the classes like?</p>
<p>Do you have any stats about Haas students' average salary in terms of undergrad?</p>
<p>It was around 56K last year.</p>
<p>i don't know where you guys are hearing things from. Haas is actually reputed to have easier classes than econ. if you check a site like thecampusbuddy.com, you'll see that the avg GPA of a biz class is higher than that of an econ class at berkeley. maybe what you mean is that the competition in biz classes is stiffer b/c most of the students are from Haas and therefore have some mettle?</p>
<p>also, you can't just say that econ grads make more than biz grads and apply that to cal. if you don't go to a good undergrad biz school, then yeah, an econ degree might be worth more. but haas has a stellar reputation. check berkeley's career center website for salary and employment info. haas grads consistently make a few thousand more in starting salary and have MUCH lower unemployment (about 4% as compared to 10% for econ). in addition, haas undergrads get much better treatment. i am an econ/biz double major, and i must say, haas feels much more inclusive and more like a private institution where people actually know your name and don't treat you like a number. i just started in haas this summer, and they have already had a number of welcome events (with LOTS of free stuff) and business "conferences" where you learn about different industries and meet representatives from Bain & Co, McKinsey, Deloitte, etc. (and get even more free stuff). in addition, haas has its own alumni network and its own staff of people at the career center working to secure recruiters and give haas students exclusive opportunities not open to the rest of campus.</p>
<p>no wonder some people think haas students are "haas-holes." they get a lot of perks and a lot of head inflation. =D</p>
<p>econ majors make the most</p>
<p>davis makes the most out of the UC</p>
<p>lol who the hell in haas is gonna get a management focus?
90% are into finance. biz management? sry that sounds wrong
if ur gonna use that site as a gauge then have fun with that</p>
<p>i think chibi is missing the point. the point is that on average across the nation, econ majors make more (starting out) than business majors. but at the good biz schools, biz majors make more than econ majors. such is the case with haas.</p>
<p>what are you talking about, davis makes the most of the UCs? it's in the middle of the pack.</p>
<p>^ I was asking myself the same question.</p>
<p>lol my bad. i was looking at the mid-career 90th percentile salary. However, even with starting salaries, Davis is still in the top 3 and about the same as UCLA which I guess makes sense since Davis is a pretty legit. </p>
<p>i think we concluded on the same thing about econ majors making more than business majors. as for your second statement, my question is - "does it really matter for undergraduate?" i mean, the game is totally different once you get into graduate school. you see people who went to SF State at the same graduate schools as people from Berkeley. </p>
<p>Granted, you can make the argument that Haas is hella prestigious and it should give you an edge in getting into a more legit graduate school. But I am sure, a kid with a 3.0 in Haas is not going to get in over a kid from SF State with a 4.0. </p>
<p>Actually, forget this. I don't even want to be a business major. In fact, I dont even know why I got into this conversation, lol.</p>
<p>for those of you wondering what it's like....i'd say for a transfer student, summer session shouldn't be too hard. courses are far from guaranteed A's, but landing a B is pretty easy (i haven't gotten my grades yet, but projecting them). this all also depends on which instructors/gsi (graduate student intern...essentially a teacher's asst) you get. guardianangel had the same instructor and gsi as i for busn ethics, but for communications, he had someone who i heard was more difficult. the school kisses your butt and i like that. does that make me a haas-hole? no. it's not my fault if i get a bunch of cool, free stuff and words of praise. also, bear in mind that haas fell in the rankings from 3rd in the nation to 11th, so it's giving a 110% to get its ranking back up. new dean and new grading curve system to make things competitive.</p>
<p>the students (continuing ones) are normal people. they aren't some crazy robot geniuses or selfish, backstabbing bullies. some really care about their grades, others don't really give a crap. in my experience, they didn't look down on transfer students....some people i made friends with in class didn't even know i transfered until i brought it up a few weeks into the semester. don't feel you can't compete with these guys. sure, some will be far better than you, but i guarantee you that you will be far better than some. and some of these guys are flat out retarded and i question how they got in....lol</p>
<p>haas doesn't expect you to be some business guru from day one. my ethics professor joked about how the only thing that most students in the class knew about business is that it started with a "b." the fall semester will definately be more difficult because students will be taking upper div courses in areas that are not busn related necessarily....you have to take 18 units of non-busn upper div classes to graduate.</p>
<p>i'll try to keep you guys posted and good luck on apps!</p>