<p>My daughter would love to transfer to Notre Dame next year. She is currently a freshman. She only received a 22 on her ACT in high school and graduated with a 3.1 GPA. If she can finish her freshman year of college with about a 3.8 GPA and is an athlete(but is a walk-on) and very involved in both high school and college extracurriculars and has one legacy. She is Caucasian and from the Midwest. Does she have any chance of getting accepted, with a superb essay and what would help her get accepted because of her lower high school standards?</p>
<p>Absolutely, but she has to have the right classes. I have a lot of information on my website, so let me refer you to that, but feel free to get in touch if you have questions. I am an alum who transferred to ND in 2004. Transferring</a> to Notre Dame</p>
<p>It also depends a bit on where she currently attends. Not that much, but a little.</p>
<p>Should she retake her ACT before the April deadline for transfer students? She had emailed the transfer rep. and they said to try to do that. Will it make that big of a difference?</p>
<p>A 22 is way below ND's avg of 31 I believe (or something in that area), so I'm sure they'd love to see a score at least in the high 20s. Not sure how much they factor that into transfer admissions though...</p>
<p>Unlikely due to very low ACT score of 22. Even though Notre Dame's transfer admit rate was 40% two years ago, an ACT of 22 can only be overcome by achieving a 3.8 at an academically elite college. Notre Dame's average ACT is 29 or 30. If your daughter was a recruited athlete, she would have a good chance. None of us, however, are on Notre Dame's admissions committee, so try, but also give your daughter more realistic choices. I know of several students with ACTs or SAT equivalents of 31 and 32 who were waitlisted and never admitted for last year's class.</p>
<p>Actually, my classes average was 32.5.</p>
<p>My data is two years old.</p>
<p>ya its closing in on 33....</p>
<p>I wouldnt doubt that the class of 2012's average will be a 33, 1480</p>
<p>last year averages were 32, 1440...... with the increase of applications I wouldnt doubt the 33</p>
<p>scary</p>
<p>Is this for transfer students? Does anyone know about how of admission is based on past high school standards?</p>
<p>I am amazed that the transfer rep recommended that, it usually doesn't have much of an impact because all the SAT or ACT is designed to do is gauge how good of a college student you will be and your GPA has much more validity for that.</p>
<p>I disagree quite strongly with a few things that Icy has said mainly because ND transfer admissions is different than a lot of other schools. ACT isn't that big of a thing with transfer admissions, nor is high school transcripts. The year after I transferred there was a student who graduated last in his class in high school who got in. I also know MANY students who had less than stellar standardized test scores.</p>
<p>PCB is absolutely right, some depends on where your daughter attends, but if it is a 4-year college she should have a shot if she takes the right classes.</p>
<p>Just remember that transfer admissions is VERY different than admissions as a freshman. I know everyone tries to be helpful, and that is awesome, but SAT average doesn't come into play because A. it isn't as valid as a college GPA and B. they don't have to report SATs for transfers.</p>
<p>Again, I disagree with Icy, I think your daughter will have a chance as long as she has the proper courses and I think saying that she should look at "more realistic choices" is incorrect and poor advice. </p>
<p>Though I am not on this board as much as I used to be since I am now working on my PhD, Tim and others will tell you that I have helped a lot of people through this and I know my stuff with transfer admissions. Please believe me when I say that I think it is worth her applying to ND (again, pending classes).</p>
<p>I may be wrong, but I think most posters here are suggesting that Notre Dame is not likely to admit your daughter based on the above posted profile, even assuming a 3.8 at a lower tier college. I know that you can always try, but it would be wise to also apply to some more realistic options.</p>
<p>I may be wrong...but I have seen it so many times before. Transfer admissions has been my life in past years, I have helped a lot of students through it (which is fun because then I get to meet them when they show up at ND) and everything I have seen suggests that it is what you do in college that matters.</p>
<p>Where did she say that her daughter goes to a lower-tier college, and what makes a college lower-tier? Is a tier-two on US News lower? ND recommends a 4-year school, and overall it doesn't seem to matter too much unless you go to a school like Stanford or Princeton (side note, I knew people who transferred from both of those schools, it does happen) and they get a boost. </p>
<p>I won't mention names of students but I have just seen this so many times in the past and I hate to kill someone's hopes when I have seen similar students, and worse students, get in. ND accepts more transfers than most schools because of the First Year of Studies program. Most schools only accept a few transfers because they need to fill in for the students who transfer out, and if that was the case, then you are right that the profile may not cut it. However, ND has a lot of space because given how FYS is, where after you can go into any major, they have more space than they need in almost every major (except business) and they need people to fill those spots, so that is where transfers come in. That is why if you look at ND's transfer students the cutoff isn't 3.8 and higher like it is at many schools but rather it is 3.5-3.6 (I transferred with a 3.5 four years ago). </p>
<p>The reason they look at GPA and courses is since they aren't just filling spots they are looking for the kids who can graduate in four years, hence they want them to have certain classes. That is not something you see at many other schools and that is why a lot of people are rejected from ND as transfers. You could have a 4.0 and get into Yale as a transfer but not get into ND because you don't have the right classes that will enable you to graduate in four years.</p>
<p>Anyway, what I was trying to show is that ND is different and they look at different things because they use transfers for a different purpose than most schools because of FYS. The only reason I disagree with you so strongly Icy is because I have seen it so many times before in past years. By the numbers, I shouldn't have even gotten in four years ago (thankfully I did). I appreciate you trying and disagreeing with me is fine, I am just a bit passionate when it comes to ND and transfers.</p>
<p>If I was going to listen to anyone on the subject, it would be irish. He knows what he is talking about when it comes to transferring into Notre Dame.</p>
<p>Not trying to disagree with you. A 22ACT is low for Notre Dame and high school GPA was a 3.1. The OP is the mother and not the student. Just trying to be more realistic, however, you have the actual experience and I do not. I am an adult who has seen dozens of parents setting their children up for a major letdown. I know many students who were waitlisted with much higher stats and more significant achievements whose dream to be admitted to ND was denied. My advice is try, but to be more realistic and don't set your daughter up to feel like a failure if she is denied. Also noticed that one parent is a legacy, and that combined with the fact that a parent and not the student is the OP, makes me wonder as to whom is really applying for the transfer. Transfers typically state more specific reasons for leaving old school and wanting to go to new school beyond that one parent is a legacy.</p>
<p>icy--did you read the previous posts? you keep referring to the 22 ACT and the high school GPA when irish already stated how little it matters... trust me, he knows</p>
<p>Yes, but I think that you might be missing the point of my posts. Regardless, I wish the OP's daughter good luck and thank you all for your comments. Notre Dame folks are very kind; it is no wonder that so many wish to go there.</p>
<p>The best advice I could give the OP and her daughter is to listen to what Irish is saying.</p>
<p>Standardized test scores are completely optional at Holy Cross. I would seriously consider HC if low test scores are an issue and the GPA is getting excellent. In its 2008 The Best 361 Colleges, The Princeton Review awarded Holy Cross a 98/100 academic rating - the highest of any Catholic institution of higher education, including Georgetown University, University of Notre Dame, and Boston College.</p>
<p>Holy Cross is an excellent school, no doubt, but I am always cautious when people use one statistic to compare schools so I thought I would find out what Princeton Review meant by their academic rating. This is what I found:</p>
<p>Academic Rating
How hard students work and how much they get back for their efforts, on a scale of 60-99. This rating is calculated from student survey results and statistical information reported by administrators. Factors weighed include how many hours students study outside of the classroom and the quality of students the school attracts. We also considered students' assessments of their professors, class size, student-teacher ratio, use of teaching assistants, amount of class discussion, registration, and resources. Please note that if a school has an Academic Rating of 60<em>, it means that the school did not report to us a sufficient number of the statistics that go into the rating by our deadline. Please also note that a school with an Admissions Selectivity Rating of 60</em> will have an Academic Rating that is lower than it should be, since the Admissions Selectivity Rating is a factor in the calculation that produces the Academic Rating.</p>
<p>Given this, my guess is that Holy Cross scores high because A. it is a good school but also B. because it is much smaller than the other schools mentioned which results in smaller class sizes. If that is of critical importance to you, it may be worth looking at, but it seems like a very subjective measure.</p>
<p>It doesn't really matter either, all of these schools are very good and will get you where you need to be, plus the standardized test scores most likely will not hurt you at ND anyway. HC may be a good option to look at as well, just know that it is very different as far as size which may be good or bad depending on what the person wants.</p>