<p>Thanks. Actually, it's appreciated. Apparently you don't understand the extent of my disability, which actually does limit my ability to detect sarcasm when there is no tone of voice present to work off of. (Yes, I'm SERIOUS)</p>
<p>.... LOL. </p>
<p>I am laughing my socks off!!! </p>
<p>K, this was fun. Bye!</p>
<p>Actually, I didn't see this the first time through (visual tracking problems, sorry!):</p>
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I'll ask this question one more time amb3r, and this time you'll answer it. What proof exists that LD children don't have the capabilities to succeed in a professional workplace?
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<p>So basically I have to find some researcher who did a study trying to prove that people who are slower at stuff struggle more at the workplace. Hmm, okay, that's not obvious at all. (sarcasm for your LD's benefit) I will have to dig through all of my resources for this one. I will get back to you soon, or at least eventually, I hope. (NOT sarcasm, for your LD's benefit) To be honest, I don't know why anyone would bother to do a study on a hypothesis like that. Seems like common sense to me. BUT I will look :)</p>
<p>Actually, I'm feeling really light-hearted right now, which is sorta incongruous to the issue we're debating about. I don't really care either way tonight. I know I'll be back to my usual opinionated self for tommorrow, probably in time for yet another IGNORANT MEAN post. But at the moment, I'm feeling a little giddy. hence the moomoo college stuff. i think i ate too much chocolate :(</p>
<p>Amber, what a cruel, arrogant, envious person you seem to be. I hope you are not majoring in a subject that would require you to interact with the public. Perhaps all your anger is misguided, and actually has to do with your admission that your parents never hugged you, or told you they love you. I pity you. At least my son knows that he is loved through words and actions of his family, every hour of his life, not just because he scores perfectly. Poor, poor you. My guess is even Yale will not make up for what you have missed out on. Work on that, instead of trying to bring everyone down to your level of sadness.</p>
<p>marnik-that's why I might not try to get any xtra time for my LD child; I think you have to sit there from 8:00 to after 12 as it is?</p>
<p>amBr </p>
<p>you are the most ignorant soon to be adult I honestly have ever come accross,,</p>
<p>And I hope I never cross your path at Yale; :) </p>
<p>Please read the DSM diagnostic criteria for NPD (narcissitic personality disorder) a clipping for your perusal:</p>
<p>Believes he is "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)</p>
<p>Translation: Narcissists think that everyone who is not special and superior is worthless. By definition, normal, ordinary, and average aren't special and superior, and so, to narcissists, they are worthless.</p>
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<li>Requires excessive admiration</li>
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<p>Translation: Excessive in two ways: they want praise, compliments, deference, and expressions of envy all the time, and they want to be told that everything they do is better than what others can do. Sincerity is not an issue here; all that matter are frequency and volume.</p>
<p>Narcissistic</a> Personality Disorder (NPD) : DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria</p>
<p>for Ambr3</p>
<p>i dont have the patience to read through this thread, but there is no argument justifying extra time or typing on the sat, unless EVERYONE has that advantage or it's marked. I will be succinct.
Extra time - the SAT is for colleges to determine who is more likely to succeed in college and life. Will they have extra time in life (jobs etc)?
Typing - since when does our country agree htat you give the disadvantaged an ADVANTAGE over others. Many can type >100 wpm, so tehy can write their essay in a few minutes and plan+edit for the rest of the time. The difficulty with teh essay is TIME. Either all type or none type.</p>
<p>i know two girls with extra time.</p>
<p>one of them has it because she really does need it. prior to extra time she had a 380r, 450m, 450w. after her third time, she still only got up to 450r, 560m, 540w. she only has 50% extra time though so she takes it in one day.</p>
<p>on the other hand, the other girl has all AP classes and is top 5% yet her mom's friend got her extra time. her scores? 740 reading, 750 math, 740 writing and 35 ACT. she has 100% so she gets to take it in two days.</p>
<p>kind of ironic how the one who needs it only got diagnosed for 50% while the one who doesn't need it got 100%.</p>
<p>Lol i would hate to be amb3r's room mate at Yale.</p>
<p>dvm258; You should go take an "amplitude test", not a test administered under "equal" conditions for ALL test takers.</p>
<p>I never denied the intelligence of LD kids for your sake of information.</p>
<p>Testing conditions should be equal for ALL, regardless if your missing a hand or half your body or whatever. A Score earned by a LD tester is not his deserved score on the SAT - he should instead take a different test designed for people with his condition, because the SAT is the "SAT", its meant for people who aren't disabeled and can follow the timing conditions, and once you break it it doesnt matter if you get a 2400 or whatever because then its no longer standarized and thus has no weight or worth.</p>
<p>Ok RootBeerCaesar, if that's your position, lets consider this hypothetical situation:</p>
<p>You got into a car accident a few days before the test. You broke your entire arm, thumb, and pointer finger on your writing hand. This date in a few days is the ABSOLUTE last day to take the SAT before the college app deadline. (Trust me, many procrastinating students do it.) Because of your position, you can now expect to get an insanely low score, effectively keeping yourself out of your dream college.</p>
<p>I also want to address another issue the OP brought up. Students who test over multiple days don't stop in the middle of a section, FYI, even if they have unlimited time. To stop for the day, they must finish a section and never go back to it. This prevents the "going home and looking up the answers" scenario brought up earlier.</p>
<p>Also, to alej414, I agree it may seem unfair that the daughter who has all APs got accommodations, and more than her sister no less. However, did you ever consider that different LDs affect intelligence in different ways? Perhaps the daughter taking all the APs has a more severe disability but has a greater willpower to overcome it than her sister? All of these are factors that can attribute to her intelligence. Heck, my own grades and scores are much higher than the average person. Does that mean I'm faking my LD?</p>
<p>In my experience, even in a "good" school system, kids with LD often are not diagnosed with an LD or diagnosed correctly until their parents expend a lot of time and expense on consultations, testing, and therapists. In an average or poor school district parents simply cannot afford this, and the school is not going to expend anything on the kid if the kid is meeting the No Child Left Behind standards. Just another thing making the SAT unfair when wealthier kids can get accomodations.</p>
<p>unfortunately this situation is a reality and is quite frankly pathetic. a neighboring high school, greenwich (CT), was recently busted for having upwards of 50% of their students file for disability SAT "advantages." what a load of horse ****, honestly. as if they didnt have enough advantages as is. with 2 days of test taking time, i could look up answers on CC, or easily get a 2350+ on my own. in stamford (which borders greenwich), this isnt happening as far as ive seen, so hopefully it isnt contagious.</p>
<p>That can't happen, and I already posted why, so I'm just copying and pasting it here:</p>
<p>I also want to address another issue the OP brought up. Students who test over multiple days don't stop in the middle of a section, FYI, even if they have unlimited time. To stop for the day, they must finish a section and never go back to it. This prevents the "going home and looking up the answers" scenario brought up earlier.</p>
<p>Not only that, but remember that testing over multiple days is also another one of those EXTREMELY rare accommodations. 50% extra time during the same sitting is by far more common than the other forms of additional time.</p>
<p>Also, sometimes a computer is necessary. Some LDs impact fine motor function and students' handwriting. Though I am diagnosed with an LD that has been known to do that, it doesn't appear to have an extreme effect on my handwriting. Though I was given the computer accommodation, I refused it, and I still got an excellent essay score on both the ACT and SAT. I don't regret it. However, I can understand why they would include it because of my diagnosis. It isn't a controversial accommodation either; may have been thrown in just in case by the College Board and ACT. Other accommodation requests, like extra time, undergo much more intense scrutiny.</p>
<p>The articles posted by the OP give the impression that many more students are getting "unlimited" time to take the test. It even includes comments from students complaining "Well I wish I was rich so I got unlimited time!" Trust me, the unlimited time designation is only given to the most extreme cases.</p>
<p>I would advise a little caution in viewing the statistics sited in this thread. If people are truly interested in the issue they can search for reliable resources. The LA Times reported a few years ago that Connecticut has the highest rate of students getting accomodations--five percent. The process truly isn't as easy as getting a doctor's note. While there may be abuse in some cases, I'm inclined to think that a greater problem is the discrepancy in services/accomodations between rich and poor students, not only for SATs but throughout their school careers.</p>
<p>I would just like it if there was an asterisk and the accomodation was explained, so the admissions committee could decide for themselves. As a student at an upper middle class school, my junior not only has pressure to take the most expensive SAT prep course/tutor, but also to seek disability accomodations if her score isn't high enough. I think an LD can make an applicant more attractive if they have tried to overcome or compensate for it or used their experience to help others.</p>
<p>My parents are both mental health professionals, who speak often to me about their work, so I feel that I am decently informed regarding this topic. My father works at a public school and is constantly asked to administer IQ tests and the like to students who in fact lack learning disabilities and instead are lazy/unmotivated. The parents of such students simply want a diagnosed disability so their "gifted darlings" will receive extra time on both standardized and nonstandardized tests (and thus receive an advantage over those students who choose to retain their principles). While this case can not be universally applied, for the most part it is true. It disgusts me to think that the state of this country is one in which those who seek unfair advantages (and cheat to some extent) fare better than those who play by the rules. With my rant aside...</p>
<p>Does anyone know whether the CollegeBoard's score transcript makes distinction between those with extra time and those with the normal time limits? If not, then this scam is truly disgraceful.</p>
<p>mstrlndcwys-There was a lawsuit, I believe, so College board stopped "flagging" in 2002; now testers with accomodations are not flagged. The articles in OP post have details.</p>