<p>My only proof is 30 years on WS where Duke grads out number Haas grads (and my husband is one) by multiples.</p>
<p>^ Of course, of course, Duke grads would outnumber Haas grads in WS because Haas grads tend to stay in the West Coast. If you’re a Haas grad being offered a job with the same perks, in a location quite familiar to you…, would you still opt to travel several hundred miles away just to get the same offer? </p>
<p>My point is, to judge the quality of the school based on the number of grads entering in WS is flat out wrong. </p>
<p>BTW, I just looked into the MMSS program at Northwestern and I found out that my opinion about it was wrong. It’s a top program and oversubscribed at Northwestern. I would rank it on par with Haas and Dartmouth in terms of rigor and opportunities after graduation. But since the OP is Asian, I would even suggest that he go there (NU) or Dartmouth, if he wants to enjoy college life and thrive as an Asian student. Duke would be a very good alternative. I would not recommend him to go to Berkeley. He would just be another smart Asian on campus. He would not add to Berkeley’s diversity issue anymore. </p>
<p>Just my two cents worth…</p>
<p>If you want a ibanking job, it doesn’t matter where you’re from, you come to NY for training. Speaking as a CA native, your hopes of living in CA is that after going through a training program and working in major markets for awhile, you get to go home. For most of us who are ambitious, that rarely happens. Other than hot times in Silicon Valley CA is not a hotbed for banking.</p>
<p>^ Who wants to go into IBanking job nowadays? IBanking in the US is now in comatose. Many companies that are into IB have already closed down. Many of the big ones are now paralyzed gasping for little air to survive. Some old friends of mine from Wharton are complaining that they could not get a job. </p>
<p>But let’s simplify this, hmom5. Berkeley grads make more money than Duke grads do. Dig up Forbes list and find out which grads eventually make more after leaving their respective alma mater schools. This happened despite Duke’s minute population compared to Berkeley’s. If it’s indeed true that Duke grads are more well-connected than Berkeley grads are, how come Berkeley grads earn more, make more than Duke grads do? It doesn’t make sense, does it? And, to think Duke grads are heading to WS, NY as you say…</p>
<p>Here’s the list. Duke didn’t even make it in the top 15. And Berkeley? In the top 12! Look – [In</a> Pictures: Top Colleges For Getting Rich - Forbes.com](<a href=“In Pictures: Top Colleges For Getting Rich”>In Pictures: Top Colleges For Getting Rich)</p>
<p>The truth is, a strong Berkeley-Haas graduate would be a strong candidate anywhere or everywhere he’ll go and can compete with any strong Duke grad in job selection processes. In short, a Berkeley-Haas qualification is just as respected as a Duke econ qualification whether it’ll be in East Coast, WS, NY or anywhere in the US except West Coast. Because in the West Coast, there is a strong network of Haas alumni supporting each other and looking after each other making a Duke qualification second-class to Berkeley’s.</p>
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<p>You make it sound like firms don’t go to NU to hire. Well, please explain what JP Morgan is doing at Northwestern (or Berkeley for that matter) then:
[J.P</a>. Morgan - Campus Schedule](<a href=“Domain Removed”>Domain Removed)
Compare the activities at NU to those at many other schools, the schedule at NU is definitely on the busy side and is on par with Duke’s (surprise!) and has way more activities than many others. Northwestern may not be a hot target but at least it’s a semi-target, at least for JP Morgan. But you madee it sound like firms don’t actually go there. Also, if firms don’t go to NU to hire, how do you explain the summer NYC internships that MMSS students got? I’ve already showed you the list earlier. Looks like these info contradict your “experience”. But does your experience include digging up recruiting activities of all the major IB at various campuses? If not, I don’t see are you can be so presumptuous. In fact, I don’t think you actually know. Otherwise, you would have said something like “I know that so and so don’t go to Northwestern this year”. Perhaps there aren’t as many NU (or Berkeley) grads on WS because less of them apply or want to go there, not because the NYC offiices don’t go there to recruit at the first place.</p>
<p>As for Kellogg certiciate, you really think Kellogg carries no weight and got no contact? You really think a specialized career advising dedicated to the program means nothing? I already showed you the link that says almost all of them got high finance internships. We are talking about almost 40 kids here. You really think none of them were NYC positions, given that quite a few MMSS kids had got them before without even using Kellogg?</p>
<p>Who wants ibanking jobs now? The thousands whose resumes land on my desk or in my email box daily.</p>
<p>Sam, banks go out to many schools. And they recruit for different jobs at different schools. Again, schools that have large numbers already working on The Street get many more hires.</p>
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<p>You are right and the JP Morgan website shows just that. But the website also shows that Northwestern was one of the handful of schools at which JP Morgan specificly recruit for “Investment Banking - NY”, not “Card Services/Information Technology/Finance Ops. & Bus. Svcs…” which apply to most other schools. I have a feeling Northwestern is recruited more heavily and rated more highly than you’ve assumed or realized.</p>
<p>You also thought Northwestern wasn’t recruited well in consulting. Well, McKinsey website tells an opposite story:
In fact, McKinsey didn’t have "Summer Business Analyst Interviews " for majority of schools on the list. Northwestern was one of the few exceptions: </p>
<p>[Home</a> | US Schools | US Schools Recruitment](<a href=“http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/home.aspx]Home”>http://www.mckinsey.com/careers/us_schools/home.aspx)</p>
<p>Thursday, Jan. 8 2009 Class of 2010 Summer Business Analyst Presentation
Time: 7pm- 9pm CT
Location: Hotel Orrington- North Shore Room, Evanston IL</p>
<p>Wednesday, Jan. 14 2009 Class of 2010 Summer Business Analyst Application Deadline
11:59 p.m. ET </p>
<p>Friday, Feb. 6 2009 Class of 2010 Summer Business Analyst Round 1 Interviews
McKinsey Chicago office</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vault.com/nr/newsmain.jsp?nr_page=3&ch_id=252&article_id=14364421&cat_id=1223[/url]”>http://www.vault.com/nr/newsmain.jsp?nr_page=3&ch_id=252&article_id=14364421&cat_id=1223</a> (few years old). Northwestern was a “core school” for 4 of the top 6 consulting firms listed few years ago (probably 5 of the 6 now since it regained the core status for McKinsey at least for this year according McKinsey website).</p>
<p>What can I say Sam, I’m an MD at a major ibank and my husband is a partner at a top consulting firm. The issue is that Northwestern, like many schools, has come up in the rankings in recent years and is attracting a much more competitive student body. There is always a lag in elite job hiring because of nepotism–all of the old boys hiring from their school.</p>
<p>NU, especially MMSS, has always placed into “elite” jobs. Of course that requires defining elite as existing beyond NYC.</p>
<p>hmom5,</p>
<p>Perhaps some of the other firms have caught on and yours hasn’t. Don’t you think that could be a possibility, given all the links I showed you? Your husband isn’t a partner of one of those 5 firms on vault’s guide, is he?</p>
<p>Wow, Sam Lee, you impressed me with your posts! It dispelled everything what I’ve previously thought about the school. I used to believe that its strongest area is its vast assets, resources and world-class facilities. Never have thought that its top programs are that oversubscribed, producing graduates as competitive as those of HYPSM. And, the best part about your posts is that, they’re provided with proofs, solid stats and useful data. Unlike hmom5 that only relies on her personal opinion and anecdotes, which when compared to factual data you’ve provided, only proves she’s all the while WRONG. </p>
<p>hmom5, your post would make more sense if you could support your assertions.</p>
<p>hmom5 needs some new interests. Sad life ■■■■■■■■ cc message boards.</p>
<p>aabb, the stupidity of your post just makes me speechless. Hmom5 adds a lot of value to cc and brings in a lot of points that you would have never considered. If you think you’re smarter than an MD an an investment bank, then I wish you good luck in life.</p>