<p>Duke doesn't fare too well according to this. I thought the Duke magazine stated that it would get more than 50% of cross admits to some of the ivies.</p>
<p>the data is like 7-8 years old</p>
<p>Not it is not. It is from Dec 2005.</p>
<p>If you actually read the paper, which you obviously didn't, you'll find the age of the data they used inside.</p>
<p>Lol Smart guys not so smart</p>
<p>This data is old, and ALSO IS HYPOTHETICAL - as in, these aren't real numbers, these are numbers based on a model made from the responses of a survey of 3000 students</p>
<p>On top of that, the data is from five or six years ago, but the paper was written more recently (two years ago), and the NYT based their published chart right off of that.</p>
<p>Shot Down man, sorry</p>
<p>If you want to look at top students consult collegeboard.com THES US News WSJ or National Merit Scholar Corporation to see where top students go.</p>
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<p>The Revealed Preference is a valid and widely-used model in economics though. If you want to critique it, focus on the sample, not the methodology.</p>
<p>That wasn't my point. Smarty acted like this was real data, but its not. What he posted was hypothetical and based off of a sample of 3000 students of uncertain demographic characteristics. This isn't real data so you can't use it to prove anything when actual data deviates so far from it.</p>
<p>Real data - HYPSM vs Duke - Duke gets 15
BCDP (Brown etc.) Duke gets 45-55
Cornell NU Georgetown Chicago about 75</p>
<p>The "real data" from the admissions office is likely the self-reported statistics from students. You know, the card you fill out saying what schools you were accepted into and where you chose to go. I'd imagine the non-response rate there is pretty high, especially for those who choose not to attend, and that a portion of students aren't entirely honest.</p>
<p>I don't know I mean, judging from many people i've met/the vast majority of my friends most of them were accepted to atleast one ivy...atleast the out of staters.</p>
<p>really though, who cares. Duke students are phenomenally intelligent and passionate about Duke...why would we want students who merely came to Duke because admissions was really good about reeling them away from Ivy's?</p>
<p>"really though, who cares. Duke students are phenomenally intelligent and passionate about Duke...why would we want students who merely came to Duke because admissions was really good about reeling them away from Ivy's?"</p>
<p>That's a pretty naive line of thinking. Just because someone isn't initially crazy about Duke doesn't mean it isn't a plus for the school if they can be lured away from HYPSM etc. The whole point is to get to students to consider Duke who would have otherwise overlooked it</p>
<p>Banana, my word is only good as that of Dean Guttentag (the Duke admissions guy) and this hasn't been conflicted by any other school</p>
<p>I don't know how many admissions "PR" people from other schools would be interested in checking this thread???</p>
<p>1.) It sounds to me like you just made some kind of smartalecky comment in the last post - forgive me if I'm wrong - but I have no idea what you just said.</p>
<p>2.) You haven't answered the criticism that the data is 7-8 years old. Duke is a very different school than it was in 1998.</p>
<p>Haha what is smart guy saying?</p>
<p>Smart Guy, break down the stats of student bodies of the top 15 schools in America, including Duke, and lemme know how weak Duke's students are. Look at professional school placement...SATs...class rank...US News or THES or WSJ...unless your just a troll, you'll quickly find Duke is better than every school in the country in ever category except about 8 or 9, for which its tied with (not including HYPSM).</p>
<p>elpope- i think what I was trying to get at came out wrong. All I'm really trying to say is that once you get to Duke you really love Duke...To me all this information isn't really relevant to the caliber school Duke is. If more people choose Harvard over Duke if can't really be seen as a reflection on Duke itself.</p>
<p>Obviously admissions is going to have to play the PR game...but when it comes to things like cross-admits/things of that nature it's all just so irrelevant.</p>
<p>TTP,
I don't feel it is necessary to provide all the stats you request. All I did was provide data that showed where people would choose to go to school if given the opportunity. It is what it is. Just because most of the surveyed people would choose many other schools over Duke doesn't mean Duke isn't a great school. I am actually surprised that more people would go to G-town over Duke.</p>
<p>I think you may have read the post wrong. 75% of students would choose Duke over Cornell, NU, Georgetown, and Chicago -- not the other way around. So more people would go to Duke over Georgetown.</p>
<p>Lol, Smart Guy - you read it incorrectly, the only schools that Duke loses out on applicants against is HYPSM, it ties or beats every other school in the country. 75% choose Duke over Georgetown, not vice versa.</p>
<p>The thing you linked to is based on a student survey, but doesn't reflect reality obviously - Georgetown is probably one of the top backups/secondchoices for most Duke students though.</p>
<p>Again, not so smart.</p>
<p>Bandcamp,
I don't know where you are looking but I looked at the graphic showing the chart of all the schools. (I am having difficulty linking it, but you can access it on the left-hand side of the main article.) It shows that the students would choose Duke over only NW (60%), Tufts (78%), Berkeley (63%), UCLA (76%), UVA (52%). Personally, I would choose Duke over the rest myself-although Berkeley has a better global name as a university.
TTP, Where are you getting this info again about Duke losing out only to HYPSM? That Duke "PR" piece again?? I am sticking to this objective data prepared by scholars in the field.</p>
<p>SG,</p>
<p>You remain unable or unwilling to address the concern that your data is 7-8 years old, an awfully long time in sociological literature.</p>
<p>This is now the third time it has been brought up. Your repeated failure to address this point is not a good sign for your argument.</p>