<p>Not unbelieveable... considering Harvard's usually more than 20%.</p>
<p>but how come? is it because smarter people apply early or because you have a definite advantage?</p>
<p>and wont intels asking for aid under ED be easier than RD ?
See dude US people is different thing...but when a college is like giving aid to only about 3-4 internationals from a particular country they want to be sure they give it to the right candidate...meaning they want to see the whole pool...lets face it..for intls they dont care whether you are commited to a particular university..you have to be excellent....also you are lucky that you are not in very huge applicant pool country (like India :) )...See basically what you gotta understand is that many times going to an ivy or MIT and likes a tossup....for internationals the data is pretty screwed up...u just cant be sure that you will get in...and ED with aid is pure crap...if u do get in then be sure that you'd have gotten in in RD also and u just have to have a superb application...
Regarding applying to some school during ED...then just apply to a school where you really want to go as the chances to get into a particular one are almost same...
To clear some doubts...EA you can apply to any amount of places, ED you can apply to other EA places but if u get selected by the ED then you'd have to go to the ED (as told by UPENN admission counsellor), for SCEA(single choice early action) you can only apply to that school and nowhere else during the early period, these are schools like harvard,yale,stanford...</p>
<p>Yes, I understand that. But the fact is that many schools have a qouta for the no. of intels they will take under the ED round. So you are competing in a relatively smaller pool. And btw, who said that Pakistan does not have a huge applicant pool? 6 people from Pakistan got into MIT. I think thats HUGE for a small country...</p>
<p>and btw, there is no harm applying ED somewhere .. so if you had to, where would u think you had the highest chance of getting in ? I can't decide.. plz help</p>
<p>just for the record...in my reply i never mentioned pakistan (or any other country for that matter, i just thought that you were'nt from India..coz thats the country with max applicants :) )
Also i am talking about total people applying...the 6 are admits...not applying...ok...
And if u really wanna do ED...as i said to the school you really like or which has the best program for you..coz you will probably write the best application for them (like in my case i applied to colleges..but not early anywhere...because i knew that the only college i loved was MIT and all my time i spent making their application so that was the best one i made...unfortunately i wasn't selected still coz their pool is like totally awesome)
Once again abt quota in ED..it just doesn't work that way...in ED you are competing with the best...so obviously the colleges can take some from 'the best'...so once again the same point..its equally unpredicatable where you'd get in..so apply to the one you like :)
Given the option i'd apply to maybe PENN (Reason: I think out of the schools listed Penn is the only one with why Penn question...and by my experience they realyl look for people who would like to attend PENN..so u can try there)</p>
<p>waleedk87: both reasons play a part to varying degrees i think. it depends on the sch you're looking at. say for higher end schools like HYPS, the standard of the ED applicants is likely too be higher than that of the RD applicants on the whole. For the simple reason that Early applicants who set their eyes on such schools are usually the more pro-active ones with probably the better stats and credentials. but with most of these schools switching to EASC, and their high yields in the first place, i doubt they give much advantage to early applicants just for the sake of boosting their yield and according them with the so-called 'ED advantage'. That is to say, for schools like HYPS, I believe the ED admission rate is significantly higher than RD admission rate because the ED candidates are indeed stronger than RD candidates on average (i.e. not much definite advantage there), so there's not much of an 'ED advantage' here. </p>
<p>As for most other schools, I think there's significant advantage in applying ED. The yield factor plays a larger part in explaining the disproportionately higher ED admission rate here. While yield is no longer a factor in USNEWS, I think the admission officers are still keen on keeping up the yield because firstly, it's still a published statistic and it won't look nice if only 20% of the applicants accepted choose to enroll (so it certainly helps to admit all those above-average - or even those slightly subpar - applicants from the applicant pool), and secondly, it helps lower the uncertainty in meeting the class size. given the application explosion across all colleges today, colleges find it much harder to predict the number of people who will enroll. Binding ED obviously makes their lives a lot easier. For that reason, I predict the disparity between ED and RD admission rate will continue to increase... </p>
<p>Oh, and not to forget it always feels good for the admission officers to know that you regard them as a first choice. So more advantage there.</p>
<p>Yes. Apply ED to Penn. Many people with not so great stats but with unmatchable love for PENN (which can be shown thru essays) have got in with aid(International Students).</p>
<p>ronty, can you please give some examples? The only intels I know of that got into Penn with finaid were either from lesser represented countries or had 2350+ SAT and the like (the person with this SAT applied ED).</p>
<p>"lesser represented countries"
Its usually that....lesser represented countries do send students to ivies...coz like if a grand total of 10 somewhat competitive students are applying from a country..obviously they are bound to get in at good places...even if univs just take 1 from each of them.....so basically waleed...countries like India,Pak,China do have a lot of competition...so you have to be good...but if u'r application is reasonably good...i suggest u apply to PENN and show a commitment towards them...</p>
<p>Hi thank you sooo much guys! but dont you think that I have a higher chance at Swarthmore because they give more aid and because they have a 45% acceptance rate for intels? I can't decide between Penn and Swarthmore because I like both the same and would love to attend any of them. The thing i like about both of them is the freedom to choose whatever you want because i am completely undecided (although I am inclined towards engineering).
I also wanted to know if you are a bit inclined towards engineering but at the same time not sure, should you apply Arts & Sciences (undecided) or engineering .. because I feel that you can't really deliver your "passion" for engineering in the "Why engineering" essays if your not sure if u want to do it.</p>
<p>maxy, there r many ppl who got in Penn ED... I wont name the people becuz its kinda discomforting for some ppl... Search it on Intl's ED thread...</p>
<p>ronty i think you are already indirectly naming them which u shudnt.. let the credit for ED go to the well thought of minds and their own credit..</p>
<p>lets accept it that there are 2 distinctly different independant applicant pool.. first that asks for aid and second that doesnt ask for aid..</p>
<p>of the 2nd independant group these represent the best and probably the most talented minds who get into Penn ed .. and for a change i think we must get back to rationality and stop comparing them with Finaid needy intels in Rd or anywhere..</p>
<p>so well i contend that whoso ever got into Penn ed did such due to his own credit solely knowing fully well the demand, ,commitment and school preferences as in Penn's case</p>
<p>SM</p>
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I dont think so. But if I have done it unknowingly, then I offer my sincerest apology to those whom I have hurt.</p>
<p>ronty and smartmind, I haven't figured out who are the ED kids you are talking about, so I don't think it was obvious. However, as an ED applicant to Penn (so I read the Penn forum constantly), I want to say that the intels who got in early were mostly students who did not apply for aid. In fact, the only kids who got aid early were a canadian, who was in a separate finaid pool anyway, and a girl from an underrepresented country (whose president actually attended Penn) - talking about kids on CC. Off CC, the only person I know of and I already mentioned the person was indeed superqualified. So ronty please PM me if you want to detail your previous posts.</p>
<p>45% intel admission rate for swat???</p>
<p>nope not intel ... overall ... secondly could u answer my question on whether i should apply to SEAS or Arts and science (read my prev post).</p>
<p>From what i've seen from the Intel ED post, quite a lot of people have got into Princeton ED</p>
<p>I've always wondered what happens if an applicant is accepted ED with a less-than-desireable finaid deal. Is that person still required to matriculate? If so, then applying ED seems a tad risky...</p>
<p>To the OP, since you're wavering between going the humanities route and pursuing a degree in engineering, I'd say definitely apply as an engin. candidate. It's easy enough to switch out of engineering, should you decide that it's not for you, but much harder to switch into engineering (I don't know if this is actually possible).Your interest in engineering would make Princeton the most desireable school on your list (and Dartmouth and Brown seem rather out of place). Additionally, Princeton undoubtedly awards the sweetest finaid deals (grants and work study, no loans). Of course, it's probably the most difficult to receive an offer from, which could make Swarthmore and Penn more attractive candidates for your ED school. After all, you only get to send off one ED application.</p>
<p>Which means I really haven't contributed much... sorry, but it's difficult to say anything constructive without knowing how strong a candidate you are... and even then college admissions are famously arbitrary and unpredictable.</p>
<p>But at the end of the day, remember that ED is binding, so only send it to the one school you'd most love to attend. </p>
<p>All I know about Penn and Swat are: Penn is in the big city, Swat is far more rural, so two wildly different campuses there... both are very prestigious, the engineering schools aren't perhaps quite as stellar as other departments, but are still very good... Swat is an LAC while Penn is a fair-sized university, so the whole personal-attention-and-undergraduate-focus vibe that LACs seem to give off may sway your decision here, while some may say that Penn's endowment and location offer more opportunities to the resourceful student.</p>
<p>Which will it be?</p>
<p>Hmm, I think it depends on what u define by less-than-desirable financial aid. If the school gives you the financial aid package exactly according to what you've pledged, even if you receive a better offer elsewhere (which an ED applicant shouldn't since he/she is supposed to withdraw from other colleges anyway), I think financial difficulty isn't an excuse sufficient enuff to get one out. That's why financial aid applicants are generally advised not to apply ED so that they can compare financial aid... But for us poor internationals the case might be different. At least applying ED boosts our chances of getting into ONE college, otherwise we might not even get in anywhere, considering stiff competition for finaid applicants...</p>