<p>I would try to take both of these classes at a cc if I were a direct admit. Given a choice, from a gpa standpoint, I would take finite at a cc instead of microecon. Finite is quirky, and can be tough for a lot of people who are good at other types of math. My son took finite at IU and had to drop the class and took it at cc. He took M119 last semester at IU and got an A. Here is a thread about finite where a kid transferred from Penn State’s business school to try and get into Kelley and was having trouble getting through finite. His post about finite was one of the last ones he made on this board.<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/561291-had-disturbing-talk-advisor-today-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/561291-had-disturbing-talk-advisor-today-2.html</a>
Also consider that the competition from people taking finite is tough, as you cannot test out of finite at IU, so a lot of really smart kids are taking it and it is tough to get a high grade. Hundreds of people test out of M119 and take M211 or M212, so the competition is much easier in M119 than finite.</p>
<p>Interesting. My daughter was fine with finite last semester, but has struggled with calculus this semester. It has caught her by surprise because she took AP calc in high school. She says the instructor is very hard to follow and she’s had to re-teach herself calculus to survive, so maybe some of this has to do with who teaches the course (finite teacher was good). Just shows everyone’s different, but this forum has been quite helpful for figuring out how to navigate through the system. Thanks for the advise, everyone.</p>
<p>My son is a direct admit into Kelley for Fall 2010. Apart from M 118 what are the other
I Core pre reqs that you can take freshman year? What should he take for credit over the summer?</p>
<p>E201 (intro to micro), A201 (intro to financial accounting), A202 (intro to managerial accounting), L201 (business law), E202 (intro to macro), and M119 (calculus) can all be taken for credit over the summer at a local community college. You can also fulfill most/all of the gen ed requirements at a local community college.</p>
<p>K201 (computer in business), X201 (decision technology), A100 (intro to accounting), X220 (career perspectives), X204 (business communications), and E370 (statistics) usually need to be taken at Indiana University or IUPUI. </p>
<p>I think those are all the pre reqs. I took L201, A201, A202, E201, and a gen ed at a CC over the summer and it helped me have an easier course load and get ahead (not to mention save money).</p>
<p>A201 and A202 won’t transfer from the Ivy Tech system in Indiana for full credit. See the credit transfer service.
[Credit</a> Transfer Service: Admissions: Indiana University](<a href=“http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/]Credit”>http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/)</p>
<p>Most cc’s have equivalent courses for ENG W131 and BUS X104 Business Communications. These are listed in the credit transfer service.</p>
<p>Classes taken at IUPUI count on the IUB gpa calculation. ECON E270 at IUPUI substitutes for IUB’s ECON E370 as Icore prerequisite.</p>
<p>Thanks maxellis and bthomp1! Would online courses in any of these also count for credit?</p>
<p>They will not transfer if the transcript says they were taken online. However, I asked my CC last summer and they said that on the transcripts they don’t mention whether or not the classes were taken over the internet (I took L201 online). I would recommend contacting whichever school you are thinking about and talking with them.</p>
<p>We received the new Student Orientation Confirmation today. Why does it say University Division Guide when he is a DA to Kelley?</p>
<p>I would say E201 is not the class to take off campus. In comparison to accounting classes, I would say take A202 off campus. Taking E201 at IU is not that bad. Plus, there are some similarities with E202 so it can make it easier having a solid E201 background.</p>
<p>My S received a flyer encouraging him to take business required classes at Mc Nutt. He is going to be part of the Kelley LLC. Does it really make a difference where you take these classes?</p>
<p>My D was in the KLLC this past year. The classes offered specifically for KLLC students are nice because they are right there in the dorm complex, and they are in the classes with other students they live with which means studying together is easier. It’s not a major deal if the scheduling doesn’t work out to take those sections, but it is a nice benefit of being in the KLLC.</p>
<p>I was in the KLLC last year and I am living in the KLLC this upcoming year. Let me know if your son has any questions!</p>
<p>It’s far more convenient to take the classes in McNutt just because it is so close to your room.</p>
<p>There are some sections of Business Presentations and I want to say Computers in Business that are only for KLLC kids and that are in McNutt. I strongly recommend those because there is a lot of group work for those classes. Taking them with other KLLC kids makes meeting so much easier. You’re probably more likely to have a better group, too, since it’s harder for a member to slack when you all live together, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks, great information! He is also required to sign up for X 255 " Hot Topics in Business" and has been asked not to schedule other classes during that time frame that this class is offered. Are Academic Advisors made aware of these conflicts?
What classes do you recommend he signs up for as an incoming freshman to fulfill his pre reqs? Any particular professors? He is already taking the M 118 and the E 201 for credit at the CC.</p>
<p>The advisors I met with at orientation (and throughout the year) were ridiculously knowledgable. I met with Alison Kvetko at orientation to pick classes. I think she might be leaving this year, though. My regular advisor is Erin Heyboer, and I am obsessed with her. I recommend her to everybody. She knows her stuff so well that it’s slightly frightening.</p>
<p>Is your son in Hutton?</p>
<p>My first semester of freshman year, the business classes I took were computers in business honors K204, business presentations honors X106, finite M118, accounting A100, and hot topics X255 of course.</p>
<p>I recommend taking A100 first eight weeks of the first semester. If you have to drop it, which happens, then just take it the second eight weeks of the semester and get on with your accounting classes. I’m personally looking forward to getting accounting out of the way.</p>
<p>He wants Vivian Winston for that class.</p>
<p>I recommend taking computers in business and honors business presentations honors. There is a lot of group work for those classes, so taking the honors versions help ensure you’ll have a good group.</p>
<p>Either honors teacher for computers is great. I had Kari Johnson and loved her. If your son takes honors presentations, he wants Dr. Susan Vargo. </p>
<p>Definitely take computers in business first semester because that class is so useful.</p>
<p>Is he going to rush? He might want an easier schedule than I had if that’s the case. Which requirements is he exempt from? I came to IU with english, micro, and macro already fulfilled thanks to APs. </p>
<p>From what I saw, the majority of us put off G202, L293, and E370 until this upcoming year even though we could have taken them. Your son could take any of those, but he just probably wouldn’t have anyone to study with.</p>
<p>I would say that the schedule I had freshman year was very typical of the average kid in the KLLC. At orientation, the advisors discouraged me from taking so many business classes, but I’m glad I got so many out of the way first semseter (first semester I was also in Chinese by the way). They also discouraged me from taking two honors classes, but I went to a really good high school and was in all APs my senior year, and knew honors wouldn’t be an issue for me.</p>
<p>This is very helpful! Thank you very much! So would a typical freshman year be about
15-17 credits? He does plan to rush freshman year!</p>
<p>I took fifteen credits first semester. I took nineteen second semester, which is not the norm. I would say the typical freshman year is closer to fifteen credits than seventeen, at least first semester.</p>
<p>Since your son has to take P255 and A100 he might want to take only 14 credits this Fall. Take A100 first eight weeks and P255 second eight weeks. 14 sounds low but A100 can be as tough as a three-credit class to most people. Also, adding anything useful to the 14 credits would take him up to 17 credits, which is a lot for a first semester freshman. It would work out to seven different classes in the semester (3+3+3+3+3+1+1), which would be a lot to juggle along with rushing.</p>
<p>bthomp1:</p>
<p>P255 is the class that goes to India
I took that class, and I am going to India this summer
it is only offered spring semester</p>
<p>X255 is the class you meant
which is the KLLC class</p>
<p>X255 isn’t hard at all, so I wouldn’t be too worried about it–referring to when you said he would take seven classes
yes, it would be seven classes
but you have to keep in mind that X255 is only eight weeks, and virtually no homework, etc.
I still wouldn’t recommend a first semester freshman to take seventeen credits, especially if he is rushing</p>
<p>my second semester, though, I took nineteen credits and was fine</p>
<p>Yeah, I meant X255. X255 is irrelevant from a workload standpoint, and even worthless when it comes to fulfilling Kelley degree requirements. But I would still stay at 14 credits as a first semester freshman taking A100 and X255 because many students wind up having to to re-take A100 2nd eight weeks. It is easy to add worthwhile Kelley credits at cc in during summers once A100 is out of the way and you are in Kelley. Ideally, you take A100 at IUPUI in a six-weeks summer session before starting at IU and get an easy A for your IU gpa (A100 is simple at IUPUI), but that is not an option for most people. Then you can easily do 15 credits your first Fall semester at IU.</p>
<p>Appreciate all the info from both of you. So you are allowed to take more than 17 credits a semester?
On another note what exactly is the KLLC NING?</p>