eligiblility to apply to the Kelley School in the spring 2014

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<p>Just received DS email about the requirements for applying Kelly, and DS has chosen the following courses for the first year: K201, W131, C104, M119, A100. It seems he is not eligible for applying Kelly in the spring 2014 because it requested to take A100 and G202. Does anybody tell us if our understanding is correct or not. thanks a lot in advance.</p>

<p>To be eligible to apply to the Kelley School in the spring 2014 for fall 2014 admission students will need to have completed the following requirements:Completion of at least 12 credit hours from the following courses on the IU Bloomington campus:
1. BUS-K 201 or BUS-X 201<br>
2. Choose one additional option from this list: ENG-W 131<em>, BUS-C 104, BUS-C 204, BUS-L 201, or BUS-G202 AND BUS-D270
3. Choose two additional options from this list: BUS-A 201, BUS-A 202, ECON-E 201, ECON-E 202, MATH-M 118</em>, MATH-M 119<em>, ECON-E 370</em>, OR BUS-A 100 AND BUS-G 202</p>

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<p>applepear,</p>

<p>That is correct. Your son needs G202 which requires E201 as a prerequisite. He will need to take E201 in the summer so that he can take G202 next Fall. It would be a good idea to take M118 also during this summer at Ivytech. Please review the strategies per the following link:</p>

<p><a href=“Strategies for Standard Kelley Admissions - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums”>Strategies for Standard Kelley Admissions - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums;

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<p>thank you, ace550. Just worried if DS could not get into Kelly, it would waste 2 years and he could not graduate in 2017. </p>

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<p>applepear, based on the classes you list your son as already having taken, you could follow this schedule and get the decision on Kelley before Spring 2015 semester begins and also complete all the I-core prerequisites in the customary two years. Also, he would have at least 62 credits before Icore starts, and thus be about half-way to the Kelley degree. If he gets in, maybe he could take E202 online in Summer 2014 to get that one out of the way. </p>

<p>I have included the percent of students who reach the minimum grade your son will need for the IUB classes. The percentage used does not include those who dropped the class.</p>

<p>Summer 2014 [12 credits]<a href=“need%20only%20solid%20%E2%80%9CC%E2%80%9D%20or%20higher%20to%20transfer%20to%20IUB”>/u</a>
Math M118 (3 credits)
Econ E201 (3 credits)
Bus L201 (3 credits)
Bus A201 (3 credits) </p>

<p>Fall 2014 [12 credits]<a href=“need%20all%20solid%20%E2%80%9CB%E2%80%9D%20or%20higher%20for%20Kelley%20admission”>/u</a>
Bus G202 (2 credits) – >70%
Bus C204 (3 credits) – >80%
Bus T175 (1 credit) – >95%
Bus X271 (1 credit) - >95%
Easy Electives (5 credits)</p>

<p>Spring 2015 [12 credits]<a href=“need%20only%20all%20solid%20%E2%80%9CC%E2%80%9D%20or%20higher%20to%20count%20for%20I-core%20pre-req”>/u</a>
Bus A202 (3 credits) – >90%
Bus X201 (3 credits) – >90%
Bus T275 (1 credit) – >95%
Bus D270 (1 credit) – >95%
Bus X272 (1 credit) – no grades recorded for this class yet, but probably >95%
Econ E370 (3 credits) [>80%] or equivalent <a href=“E270%20at%20an%20IU%20regional%20campus%20summer%20before%20Icore%20will%20count”>should have enough credits to register for any equivalent</a></p>

<p>Fall 2015<a href=“14%20credits”>/u</a>
I-core</p>

<p>Regarding the Summer 2014 classes:
It is a pretty heavy load for summer, but you only need a solid “C” or higher for each class to transfer to IUB. You can take all these classes at Ivy Tech EXCEPT A201 Financial Accounting, which IUB will not accept transfer credit for from Ivy Tech. You can do A201 online from a school that is approved on the Credit Transfer Service list or in-person from a school that is on the list. You don’t want to take any of these classes at IUB before getting accepted to Kelley, as the solid B and higher rate is pretty low for each. Also, you need to get A201 out of the way before you can take A202 and you need E201 before you can take G202.
<a href=“http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/”>http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>applepear,</p>

<p>bthomp1 has a great plan. It should be doable especially if there is a nearby local CC or IU campus. Then, he can still look out for summer internship before i-core. Also, graduating in August would not be too bad either.</p>

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<p>Another option, if the Summer 2014 load is too much</p>

<p>Summer 2014 <a href=“need%20only%20solid%20%E2%80%9CC%E2%80%9D%20or%20higher%20to%20transfer%20to%20IUB”>12 credits</a>
Math M118 (3 credits)
Econ E201 (3 credits)
Bus L201 (3 credits)
Bus A201 (3 credits)</p>

<p>You could divide it up over two summers, but need to take the courses in this order:</p>

<p>Summer 2014 (need these to take G202 and A202)
Econ E201
Bus A201</p>

<p>Summer 2015 (both are offered at Ivy Tech)
Math M118
Bus L201</p>

<p>You can sign up for Icore before completing Summer 2015 classes; just be sure to get the final transcripts into IU before the Fall 2015 semester begins. This schedule would make an internship harder to find, although at Ivy Tech, you could take one or both online, or take both in two days of the week and do the internship the other three days of the week. </p>

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<p>thank you, bthomp1 and ace550. I did not reply you early cos I have been waiting for DS’s A100 final grade. He got B-, now my question is how this B- could lower his chance to get into Kelly ? should we continue to take Kelly courses or switch back to SPEA ? My biggest concern is that it would waste him 3 terms If he is denied in spring 2015. </p>

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<p>You could check the SPEA degree requirements and the IUB gen ed requirements to see if there is overlap with Kelley to the point where it will not require your son to do more than eight semesters at IUB if he switches to SPEA. It is probably doable, especially if he takes two gen easy gen ed electives in Fall 2014.</p>

<p>Some of the classes your son has taken that you mentioned above --K201, W131, C104, M119-- are required for the SPEA degree, as are the Kelley-required courses C204, E201, and E202. A201 and L201 also count for some SPEA major requirements. I’m guessing he as taken or will take some more gen ed classes that will apply to Kelley and SPEA in his first three semesters and in a summer session, if he does summer school this year.</p>

<p>I don’t know if the B- will keep you son out of Kelley, but I think it is still worth trying for Kelley admission.</p>

<p><a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington;

<p><a href=“http://gened.iub.edu/requirements/genedrequire.html”>http://gened.iub.edu/requirements/genedrequire.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Thanks a lot, bthomp1. </p>

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<p>Talked with DS, he told me that his advisor suggested him to take M119 at I.U. campus during this summer. and in the coming Fall (Fall 2014), take A201 and E201. I am so worried to take A201 and E201 together, as bthomp1 said they are difficult courses and hard to get solid “B”. Could you please give me any suggestions ? DS said if he takes A201 and E201 at community colleges, Kelly will still take the grades into considerations, not only simply transferring the credits, so confused now.</p>

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<p>Applepear, I thought your son has already taken M119 (per your first post in this thread)? Why would he take it this summer at IUB?</p>

<p>Do you live in Indiana, or have access to Ivy Tech classes. </p>

<p>Your son can still follow the plan I mentioned by taking A201 and E201 equivalents next summer at community colleges or other colleges. Just make sure he does not take them both at the same institution . (Also remember that IUB won’t accept credit from Ivy Tech for A201 anyway.) And, just as important, do not send the transcript for A201 until AFTER he has been accepted to Kelley. Take E201 at Ivy Tech, where it should be very easy, compared to IUB, to get a solid B or higher. The microeconomics tests at Ivy Tech do not require nearly the same level of knowledge and ability to apply economic concepts as IUB. My son took micro and macro at Ivy Tech and the tests were very straightforward, multiple choice where you essentially just had to know definitions. Past IUB micro and macroeconomics mid term and final tests are posted on the economics website and are much, much more difficult than anything he would see at Ivy Tech.</p>

<p>So, don’t have the transcript for A201 sent to IUB until after he is accepted; Kelley won’t be able to consider his performance in A201 unless the school has sent a transcript. (As a side note, I doubt Kelley even looks at the grades from community colleges, despite what the adviser said, since these grades are sent to the Office of Admissions, and not to Kelley. Look at the official IU transcripts after the the transfer credit is accepted and you will not find any letter grade, only pass/fail. I am assuming Kelley will only be using the official transcript to evaluate admissions.) </p>

<p>Also, A201 is not a prerequisite for taking A202, so he doesn’t need to have on his transcript that he took A201 to register to take A202 in Spring 2015. You do need to have the E201 transcript sent to IUB, however. </p>

<h2>Also, prior to having the E201 transcript sent to IU office of admissions right after the CC grades are posted, you should contact the IUB registrar after registering for the CC class so that the IUB registrar can register you for G202 as soon as possible. You will have to signup for an E201 equivalent at a CC or wherever as soon as possible to get this done. Ivy Tech is already registering students for Summer 2014 for the E201 equivalent. G202 is a very popular class now, since it is used by many for Kelley admissions. This advice is to get you registered as soon as possible for G202 (when you don’t have E201 on you transcript at the time of registration) based on the comment and thread referenced below:</h2>

<p>If you don’t have the prerequisites to register for a course at the time of registration, the registrar can enroll you in the course. I registered for A311 in the spring of 2012 for the Fall of 2012, and was planning to take managerial at CC over the summer. I got enrolled in the course by emailing the registrar, then they required me to email a screenshot by the first week of classes proving I successfully completed managerial. The course didn’t actually get transferred until late September. </p>

<h2><a href=“What makes Econ E 201 so hard? - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/1603784-what-makes-econ-e-201-so-hard.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;

<p>Also, if your son only wants to take two courses this summer, he could do L201 and finite math at community college in Summer 2015. This would mean he needs this summer only a solid B or higher at Ivy Tech (easy to do) and a solid C or higher wherever he takes A201, which is probably not that difficult to do either. Just don’t sent the A201 transcript to IUB until after he is accepted.</p>

<p>Also, be warned that this plan may not work at all, if Kelly changes admissions requirements (by eliminating the A100 and G202 together option) for applying in Fall 2015 and after. They have a nasty habit of changing standard admissions requirements after only a year or two of being in effect (worse, sometimes they don’t even publish the changes in the bulletins until after students have registered for fall classes, which is hard to believe but has happened two of the last three years).</p>

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<p>Thanks a lot, bthomp1, this is great help. I fully agreed that Kelly has a nasty habit, DS was so disappointed that they changed the admission requirements after he regisitered all the courses, but he just said what he can do about it ! I passed your advice to DS before he met with his advisor, and now the schedule with advisor’s suggestion is to take E201 and Finite (M118) at IU Northwest campus. and Fall 2014: </p>

<p>Bus T275 Kelly compass II (1.5 credit) (T175 is done, and DS got A)
Bus C204 (3 credit)
Bus L201 (3 credit): legal environment of business
Bus A202 (3 credit)
Bus D270 (1.5 credit): Global business Environment</p>

<p>I do not know why need to take M118, but I would strongly suggest DS to take G202 instead of A202, and I do not know about T275, L201 and D270. Thanks a lot for your input.</p>

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<p>As the admission to Kelley requirements stand now, your son needs only to take G202 next Fall to get into Kelley if he applies during the coming fall. For some reason, his adviser totally ignores this fact and instead recommends he take A202 and L201 next Fall semester? I don’t get it. Also don’t get why he would take E201 and Finite at IU Northwest when he can take them at Ivy Tech Gary at less than half the cost and not risk having the letter grade affect his Kelley admissions chances (not to mention that he doesn’t even need finite yet to apply to Kelley). Weird, too, that the adviser says to take A202 before taking A201. A202 is difficult enough without having first learned the basic concepts and terminology of financial accounting and also competing for a solid B or higher with students who have survived A201 and who, moreover, 87% of which are already in Kelley while your son is, theoretically, trying to take the least risky path into Kelley. Similarly, only about half of the L201 students get a solid B or higher.</p>

<p>I still recommend your son next Fall take G202 and C204-- fairly easy Icore pre requisites. Then take whatever of those easy A 1-1.5 credit new Kelley courses your son needs next Fall and Spring to be qualified for Icore, and then some easy electives to get to at least 12 credits to make his Fall courseload full-time. Do E201 equivalent at Ivy Tech Gary this summer and A201 online at some community college (tons of them in Illinois in the Chicago area that will be transferable to IUB). You don’t need anymore risk than that. </p>

<p>This forum has lots of examples of smart kids who took too many difficult Icore prerequisites while trying to get into Kelley but got too many sub solid B grades. One kid a few years ago had a 35 ACT score (top one percent in the country), but took at IUB, in one year, K201, A100, finite, calculus, microecon, macroecon, Math M212, a fourth-semester level foreign language class in the Spring, and nine credit hours of other courses during the two semesters. He didn’t get in.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/1104783-so-i-m-getting-a-little-worried-about-not-getting-into-kelley-p1.html”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/indiana-university-bloomington/1104783-so-i-m-getting-a-little-worried-about-not-getting-into-kelley-p1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Also, just noticed that your son can take ACC 20000 Intro Accounting (a TransferIN class that gets credit for A201 at IUB) at Purdue Calumet in Hammond this summer from MAY 19, 2014 to JUN 27, 2014, if he can’t find any online classes. You could transfer credit this class after his acceptance to Kelley. Get credit from Ivy Tech in Gary for E201, then he can take G202 in Fall 2014. </p>

<p><a href=“https://banwebf.purduecal.edu/pls/proddad/WEBCLIST.P_InputQuery”>https://banwebf.purduecal.edu/pls/proddad/WEBCLIST.P_InputQuery&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>thank you, bthomp1, I will pass all your info to DS.</p>