<p>I am considering a dual degree with COE and Ross. Is this worth it? Will my starting salary be higher than with just an engineering degree? My intended COE major is industrial and operations engineering. Thank you!</p>
<p>Suggest you take a look at the Engineering Global Leadership Honors Program instead.</p>
<p>User Nubswitstubs is doing this (or was - I’m not sure if he still intends to do business) so he might be able to give you some guidance if he checks this thread. Your starting salary will probably not be higher than just one or the other, you are likely to get hired for one job or the other. It may however increase the number of jobs you qualify for and you will have access to Ross recruiting. I know many people doing dual BSE&BBA and they all (for the most part - maybe not Nubswitstubs) think it’s useful for some reason or another but personally I am skeptical. It depends on what you want to do, I think more commonly those people want to do business but want to say “I’m smart enough to do Engineering too.”</p>
<p>Business and Engineering both are great majors at Michigan and go to slightly different places I feel. I am skeptical as well about getting both degrees as I don’t really think it’s necessary. Your starting salary will generally be higher in engineering unless you go into IBing or high level finance. The advantage of an engineering degree is you can move from engineering into business, but you can’t move from business into engineering. Engineering teaches more technical skills and is the primary way you can move into companies that are engineering heavy (Boeing, etc.) Why not look at CoE for undergrad and then pursuing an MBA?</p>
<p>If you guys are so skeptical, why is it that there are highly-sought after dual degree programs between business and engineering programs such as the M&T program at UPenn?</p>
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<p>Because there’s demonstrated demand from students for such a program.</p>
<p>wait, so do you think doing M&T at UPenn and getting the two degrees is the same as getting both a BSE and BBA at Umich?</p>
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<li>It doesn’t cost you an extra year to do M&T</li>
<li>Because it’s Penn and Wharton</li>
<li>Name another “highly-sought after” dual degree business-engineering program. None of the other top BBA programs offer similar programs.</li>
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<p>M&T may give you an edge in the business track (mainly because it is Wharton). It will not give you any advantage if you are interested in the more lucrative technical engineering jobs.</p>
<p>I am an incoming engineering freshman this year. From what I have been told by college admissions people and from employers is that they would rather you get a full education in either one or the other or both. They feel that a dual degree in these two means that you have a shallow understanding of both concepts and that it is a degree that is not as attractive to employers as it may sound.</p>
<p>so many at frosh at michigan say they gunna do this. but not many go through and a good amount who do end, up not finishing through the two degrees, because they end up at some point getting a sweet job and realizing its not necessary.
It could be reasonably done with a ioe/ross combo, specially if u got physics and calc credits and willing to take some classes over a spring/summer term. Good luck doing with like chem e or eecs or something in 4 years.</p>
<p>As Vladenschlutte said, the main advantage of the CoE/Ross dual degree is that you will qualify for a lot more jobs and you have access to Ross recruiting.</p>
<p>I think the main field where employers really indicate a preference for the dual degree is consulting. If your primary interest is money, though, you’re probably looking into finance. From what I’ve gathered, the dual degree is not as helpful (potentially not worth it) in that industry.</p>
<p>All of the CoE/Ross dual degrees that I know (approximately 20-30) are interested in a more business-related career, not engineering. Opinions on the value of the dual degree are fairly mixed – I know people who find it beneficial and people who think it’s not worth the time. Again, I’ve noticed that, in general, the people in finance find it less useful, whereas the people in consulting find it more useful. </p>
<p>Personally, I was an IOE/BBA (entering my junior year now) until recently when I decided to drop the business degree and pick up something else instead. The main turnoff for me was Ross’ focus on job placement, which I feel detracted from the academic experience. If you really value a more academic-focused education, I strongly recommend not doing the business degree.</p>
<p>All that being said, the value of the dual degree really depends on what you want to do and your motivation. Although it’s not extremely difficult to finish in 4 years, it’s by no means an easy combination of degrees. If you decide to pursue the dual degree, my recommendation is to thoroughly read the degree requirements on both the engineering and business side and start making your 4-year schedule as soon as possible. Let me know if you have any questions.</p>
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<p>Honors Integrated Business and Engineering degree at Lehigh. Smaller school, but very highly regarded for both engineering and business. The IBE students are the cream of the crop there. Those grads are getting hired by all the top companies.</p>
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For consulting, you are better off getting the EGL.</p>
<p>That may be true, but keep in mind that a CoE/BBA dual degree can be completed without too much difficulty in 4 years, whereas I’m under the impression that EGL is almost always a 5 year program. Also, if OP is solely concerned about salary, then the difference may be negligible. I think it’s fair to say that the EGL path would also involve a stronger emphasis on technical/quant coursework, which can be viewed as a positive or negative. It really just depends on where your interests lie.</p>
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It’s rather difficult (though not impossible) to complete the dual degrees in 4 years without putting in a summer or two, as there are little synergies between the CoE and BBA degree requirements. With prerequisities and course sequences, there is no way you can load up on engineering courses in the first 2-3 semesters; likewise for business courses. Even if you can do it in 4 years (plus summer), you are not taking full advantage of either program. For example, with Ross’ focus on job placement, there are provisions for career/interview/internships like “never on Friday”. However, there is no way you can schedule your engineering classes with Friday off…</p>
<p>Conceivably some talented students may come in with loads of credits and, with carefully planning, able to finish the dual degrees in 4 years. However, the same students can probably finish their BSE degrees in three years, and complete the EGL in four.</p>
<p>I was referring primarily to the IOE/BBA dual degree, which is what most CoE/BBAs do. I know a good amount of IOE/BBAs and the majority of them are able to graduate in 4 years – it really isn’t that difficult, and can be done with less than 18 credits/semester given careful planning. Also, as you mentioned, taking a few online courses while interning during the summer can really lighten the load.</p>
<p>Again, given careful planning, students can begin taking IOE courses during their 2nd semester and begin “loading up” their 3rd semester. As for your point on superdays, IOE courses often don’t meet on Fridays (it’s usually just for labs).</p>
<p>The distribution requirements for EGL are a bit more specific/restricted than those for the BBA, so it actually makes it more difficult to complete the EGL program in 4 years than it is to do something like IOE/BBA in 4 years. I don’t really feel like going into the details as to why right now, but if you really want to know I can explain later.</p>