<p>Why don't you complain a little more, maybe the sympathy for vader will come.</p>
<p>no one asked for sympathy, neither me or james, I guess it's too much for you to just be respectful.</p>
<p>Respectful of gross violations of human rights? Respectful of KNOWN human trafficking and murders committed in Saudi Arabia? Respectful of a regime that is a known funder of international terrorist cells? Respectful of a nation where people are routinely stoned to death and hanged in public?</p>
<p>No thanks. I'll continue to criticize it as it deserves to be criticized.</p>
<p>Then lets start with your lack of faith :D</p>
<p>Wow. You managed a red herring and an ad hominem in the same post. I think you're going for a record here.</p>
<p>The OP clearly had no real reason to use Saudi Dakota instead of South Dakota except to appear funny, which actually ended up offending some people because the minute a state makes a bad decision, we have to compare to islamic country Saudi Arabia, am i right? THAT is what was uncalled for, the whole argument about womens rights and human oppression and stoning had nothing to do with my original concern. Apparently though, because a country does not live up to US standards means it gives anyone the right to bad mouth this country and talk trash about it as per their desire. </p>
<p>Now, I know you guys might roll your eyes, and be like, omg give me a break, but constantly "poking fun" at islamic countries and how they deal is just really not necessary. But hey, this is a free forum, and even though it says somewhere in the rule book to be a little respectful of other people's cultures/religions, i'm not the one to enforce any such rules and I won't waste my time arguing again. Because I had a similar concern before in the parent's cafe, and I've already realized that arguing will not do any good because if the person is stubborn to begin with, then arguing is a real waste of time. </p>
<p>and i will never give your stupid darth vader any sympathy if you guys will be so mean as to say "I'll continue to criticize it as it deserves to be criticized." you just said that to make fun of me anyway, just because i stated that I didn't like the way that saudi was used, so you thought a clever comeback was to say you're offended the way dick was replaced by darth. and anyway I'm sorry if I caused any trouble, I didn't mean for this to ensue into another pointless arguement. if you guys dont care to give respect, so be it.</p>
<p>I wonder how many years this wonderful debate is going to draw out...</p>
<p>sarorah,</p>
<p>What?! What are on about? You're mixing your posters up, first of all. Second of all, you totally missed my intent.</p>
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<p>Get over it. It was a joke.</p>
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<p>What, it's mean to criticize nations like Saudi Arabia and North Korea for oppressing their citizens? What's so "mean" about it?</p>
<p>What's mean is when a government sets up a religious police that allows girls to burn to death to meet some stupid arbitrary requirement. That's mean. Saying, "I think Saudi Arabia needs to reform," on the other hand, is not mean.</p>
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<p>Sorry, but you're being a tad bit oversensitive here. Almost none of this was directed toward you at all. </p>
<p>I mean, if I were to say that I think that North Korea's government is terrible and cruel, would you say I'm being "mean?"</p>
<p>I dont care anymore. The Saudis make fun of US as frquently as Americans, so no big deal. I'm sure if I posted some Saudi blogs, alot of Americans will be offended, even if their opinions are as true as ours.</p>
<p>Yes, I'm sure some Saudis make good points James. But it doesn't change the fact that there are some countries in the world that do a better job of respecting human rights than others.</p>
<p>i think theres a difference between saying "haha! that lady is wearing a bedsheet over her!" and "that government makes that lady wear a bedsheet over her" and you are failing to see that difference, sarorrahah.</p>
<p>alright sorry uclari, sorry for the lack of a good word, but why are do you keep mentioning north korea anyway? you're trying to make this into somewhat of a political debate about human rights and this and that, and north korea's human rights and saudi arabia's human rights .. and i dont know why .. it would be more relevent to the thread if you talked about the abortion choices in north korea, for example. </p>
<p>People will sit and complain and criticize about another country's rules and policies, and yet, they have nothing to do with their policies . . . so what if US army females have to wear the hijab while in their country. It's almost like going into someone's house and they tell you to take off your shoes and sit on the floor to drink tea, and i mean, what are you going to tell them . . "no, i want my shoes to stay on my feet, what you are doing to me is oppression blah blah" . . if you don't like it, don't visit the house or country. no, instead you guys have to make jokes about it and laugh at their policies and cause all this trouble over what one country wants to do.</p>
<p>and taffy, learn the word, its called a scarf in english, hijab in arabic, not bedsheet, not towel, not "thing", not any of the latter. And the scarf has nothing to do with this argument anyway.</p>
<p>Most likely the country S.Arabia is afraid of becoming too westernized and "off the straight path" because they look at the United States and what the freedoms have done to the people. Now, don't get me wrong, I dont mind living here, but I'm positive what they see is very different from what you all see. You may see, "wow, yes, we have freedoms, we are so advanced, unlike that backward culture of Saudi Arabia's" and they see, "Oh good lord, look at the girls in teh United States, look how short they dress, look at the amount of strippers, look at the amt of drugs and alcohol being consumed, look at the amount of rapes, look at the amount of killings" so they become afraid and this is why they inhibit freedoms, so the generations to come will uphold their "values" that they had long ago. And this is why you see hands cut off when someone robs, or when you see adulterers killed, because believe it or not, this is what the Quran says to do, and they're just upholding what they were taught to do long ago. But of course, in today's society, this is complete violation of human rights, and must be stopped immediately.</p>
<p>all im saying is to just lay off these muslim countries, you know, with the cartoons, with the trouble people cause with them, and then you decide to crack a Saudi Dakota joke. What a pleasant thing to do.</p>
<p>The amount of killings? How about honor killings?</p>
<p>Lay off these Muslim countries? **** that, those countries are savage nations for the most part. Most every Muslim country is a theocratic dictatorship with no respect for human rights or its own citizens - why should we "lay off" ?</p>
<p>This is one of those topics that needs to be dropped, because it will go nowhere. Even after hours of arguing, people will still leave with their original beliefs, and still as stubborn about them as before.</p>
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<p>Beacuse d1ckheads like you will make things worse.</p>
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<p>This is what people said about the Armenian genocide...</p>
<p>Sorry, but gross violations of human rights should NEVER be ignored.</p>
<p>And what about the genocide in Sudan? The US is not there when they are REALLY needed.</p>
<p>I'm very upset that the US has shown inaction with the Sudan issue. But how does a strawman fallacy change what I'm saying?</p>
<p>So because the US hasn't lived up to its responsibilities in the Sudan (neither has any other major world power, and China has even VETOED condemnation of the events), we should just ignore future genocides or massacres?</p>
<p>Do you really want a world where people ignore injustices, JamesN?</p>
<p>"Lay off these Muslim countries? **** that, those countries are savage nations for the most part. Most every Muslim country is a theocratic dictatorship with no respect for human rights or its own citizens - why should we "lay off" ?"</p>
<p>We shouldnt. We should intervene and stand up for those peoples' rights.</p>
<p>"Beacuse d1ckheads like you will make things worse."</p>
<p>You are an idiot. Go to canada, no one wants you here. Or better yet, live in Afganastan and see whats its like to live in fear for your life everyday. You are truly moronic.</p>
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<p>Invading other nations based on false accusations is injustice.</p>
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<p>Whats wrong with Canada? At least Canada isnt ruled by the Bush dynasty.</p>