<p>i think he ment that because NoVa offers so many APs/IBs they might be more prepared...but that goes for any school offering prep courses or any prep school...
then again, i took 8 in HS and still were not prepared enough haha college is a learning process, not only through classes, but through learning about yourself and how to study, go to class, and generally take care of your well-being, all at the same time</p>
<p>PS- motherdear, prepared to be sliced and diced...i like your comment, but im sure a bunch more won't =/</p>
<p>TarHunt and Dean J bring up good points. NoVa has some great schools, and thus a lot of their kids go to top schools, and a ton go to UVA. The rest of Virginia is the same, some great schools sending many of their students to UVA or other top colleges.
If you are one of those NoVA kids crying that everybody else is a "hick" and does not deserve UVA as much as a top 20% or even 30% NoVa student, you have lived a very sheltered life. There are deserving kids everywhere and that is why UVA promises to look at all information in the admission process, something which I applaud.
And if 100 kids from your school get into UVA each year, don't you think that that is enough?</p>
<p>Oh banana, one of my absolute favorite students from those Boston years was a hilarious, brilliant, charming kid from TJ. </p>
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OOSers have not. They do not have as much investment in the Commonwealth as do we Virginians.
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I think the argument being made is that because of the limited funding UVA receives from the state, Virginians aren't providing a great deal of financial support into the school.</p>
<p>Tarhunt has posted some interesting points about this topic before. See the link I posted earlier and go to page 3.</p>
<p>i vote everyone on this board writes their local politician and get more funding for state schools...after all, they'll be funding the doctors, politicians, business leaders, and engineers when they're old and cant do it anymore
but infact, if you look at the amount of money from taxes and the money from IS tuition, it seems to be the same as OOS contributions...</p>
<p>Dean J- do any of these topics ever come up at the decision table? whether or not to take an IS/OOS applicant over funding? or a NoVa applicant over a different locationed applicant (i don't think locationed is a word...oops)?</p>
<p>Also, i'll throw in a quick question: theres no stated transfer essay length, except for the general one...for some questions, a page or more can be written (why UVA/what else do you want us to know?)...is 2 pages too much?</p>
<p>First, I'm not at all impressed by your whining about your workload in the FCPS. It's tough, but not tougher than many other school systems. I have sent my children to high schools that regularly send academic teams in many disciplines to victory in national and international contests. A very high percentage of those graduates attends the nation's most selective schools. My children have had access to millions of books and periodicals at a major research library. If they needed help with physics, they went next door to talk to our neighbor and good friend who also happens to be a Nobel Laureate (and he makes a heckuva salsa). If they wanted feedback on a creative writing project, they could get it from the novelist who lives two blocks down.</p>
<p>Here is what I have told them about all this privilege (paraphrased, of course).</p>
<p>"You are very, very lucky. You live in a household where both your parents have earned Ph.Ds. You have grown up with an extremely rich vocabulary that has given you a huge advantage when learning and mastering reading. You have heard us talk in mathematical terms all your lives, and grew up thinking of math as just one more language to master. For the most part, you have mastered it.</p>
<p>If you had problems in school, you got the best tutoring. If you wanted to pursue sports, you had coaches of national reputation. If you were fascinated by science, you got to help with research in the lab of a Nobel Laureate. If you wanted to be on stage, you were trained by teachers whose students have won five Tony Award nominations.</p>
<p>You are also lucky in that most of the other kids you will see in class are as privileged as you. They will provide exceptional competition to help you sharpen your minds. Your thinking skills will be pushed to greater and greater focus because of them. Your athletic skills will be honed by their excellence.</p>
<p>You will compete with these other children for success. When it comes time to go to college, you may not get into your college of choice if you don't compete successfully, but that's OK. You are already way, way ahead of most children, and the skills you learn cannot be taken away from you. Whatever college you attend will suit your purposes just fine."</p>
<p>I don't think that any of my children feel (or felt) entitled like the two of you seem to.</p>
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Dean J- do any of these topics ever come up at the decision table? whether or not to take an IS/OOS applicant over funding? or a NoVa applicant over a different locationed applicant (i don't think locationed is a word...oops)?
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We don't sit as an office and trade folders in and out of piles. Folders are put in random stacks of 30, then distributed to officers for a first read. 1st readers pass the folders to another officer for a 2nd read. If we're unable to come to a decision, the folder goes "to committee". All officers will read the file, discuss it and vote on it. There is never talk of trading one folder out for another. It's not how we operate.
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Also, i'll throw in a quick question: theres no stated transfer essay length, except for the general one...for some questions, a page or more can be written (why UVA/what else do you want us to know?)...is 2 pages too much?
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I've posted this info before. Search for "personal statement" in this forum.</p>
<p>Dean J - i liked your response very much =) it made me warm and fuzzy inside knowing that admissions officers, no matter how much students hate them or cant understand them, still try to be fair and methodically....also, i'll do a search, thanks again</p>
<p>I think the argument being made is that because of the limited funding UVA receives from the state, Virginians aren't providing a great deal of financial support into the school.
Investment is so much more than tax support. It's whether you are going to stay in the Commonwealth after graduation. It's whether your parents (and consquently the applicant) are residents of the state. The Commonwealth of Virginia has so many more career opportunities than do other states. What benefit is it for the state of Virginia to educate a New Yorker at UVA or W&M simply so that New Yorker can go back to Manhatten upon graduation?</p>
<p>Rumor has it on CC that OOS legacies get a priority equal to instate applicants. Why don't IS legacies get a higher priority than regular IS applicants?</p>
<p>Unless UVA cuts all ties with the state legislature, accepts no funding from the commonwealth, decides to charge $45K across the board and declare itself a private school, it still owes something to the taxpayers.</p>
<p>Motherdear, I was restating the argument. I wasn't stating my opinion.</p>
<p>Shoe, two pages is quite long for an essay. Part of being a good writer is being a good editor and being able to express yourself in a clear, concise way when needed. I'm sure you can cut that essay down a bit.</p>
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i think he ment that because NoVa offers so many APs/IBs they might be more prepared...but that goes for any school offering prep courses or any prep school...
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<p>Exactly. There are good students and good schools everywhere, just a higher concentration of them in Northern Virginia than the rest of the state. I thought I was pretty clear when I said UVa should accept the best instate students regardless of geography.</p>
<p>Tarhunt –</p>
<p>That’s pretty funny -- accusing me of whining, please go back and review some of your rants in this thread.</p>
<p>I don’t feel lucky or entitled. I was admitted to the colleges that I deserved to be admitted to, based on the quality of my application. I was offered admission to schools ranked higher than UVa, but chose to come here because I liked the school and <em>GASP</em> I wanted to save my parents some money. Also, I was not admitted everywhere that I applied, but I harbor no bitterness about that. </p>
<p>My parents did not feed me any of the bs that you tell your kids, they just let me know what they expected and I tried to meet those expectations. I didn’t realize how deprived I was – no Nobel Laureate next door to help me with physics -- lol.</p>
<p>I don't think the bar is all that low for IS. Is there a SAT/GPA chart for IS legacies,IS nonlegs., OOS legs, OOS nonlegs, etc?</p>
<p>Again, if UVA is willing to cut ALL ties to the state and accept NO moneystate employee benefits from the Commonwealth, then they should take whatever percentage of whatever group they desire. Until then, the taxpayers and their children deserve a much placement priority than OOS.</p>
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Again, if UVA is willing to cut ALL ties to the state and accept NO moneystate employee benefits from the Commonwealth, then they should take whatever percentage of whatever group they desire.
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<p>If the state would let UVa do this, the school would have done it yesterday!</p>
<p>There is no difference in the admissions process between regular instate students and instate legacies. Out-of-state legacies are treated as instate students.</p>
<p>Motherdear - true, but as long as their public, they shouldn't give more preference to IS-legacies over IS- non legacy because that means that if you're IS, legacy, and decent scores, you're a shoo-in, and thats crazy...its a state school and should remain fair to IS kids...
i do agree on the IS deserving priority...after all, it IS a state school, regardless of how high its ranked, and IS kids should have the same priority as other state schools...i mean, UVA setting it 2/3IS and 1/3OOS is a good enough advantage to OOS because then its guarenteed that OOS WILL get in and a certain number of them WILL be accepted...heck, virginia schools could have a stellar year and graduate a full freshman class of great students, but only 2/3 could go to UVA, whereas most other state schools will take however many they want (except VT...they seem to try to keep a 70/30% of IS/OOS kids, especially in their eng. college, which is more 65/35%)</p>