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<p>BlueSuiter, no offense to you, but if anyone comes in, regardless of their background, and decides to blow off the training because someone doesn't think it's worth it, how in the world can I be expected to trust that person if they don't show dedication to this place and what its trying to do?</p>

<p>It's like Major Douglas, if anyone was at his briefing today, said when he was a SNACKO. No one respected him and tried to help him become better at being a fighter pilot because they didn't see any dedication in him for having a bad attitude because he was a SNACKO. Same applies for cadet life. We will help those become better cadets that show some dedication, no matter the environment and the task.</p>

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<p>Well, i definitely don't have much experience in this area seeing as I am not prior enlisted or from P school, or a cadet. But I've heard alot of people always talk about fighter pilots (I can't really think another example but ya..) as either CONFIDENT or ARROGANT. Confident as in knowing your good but also your limits, where as Arrogant is being over the top with it and cocky.<br>
I'll just agree that having others with experience shouldn't be that much of a problem as long as they are NOT in the arrogant stage and thinking that they are the best but rather are willing to help in the ways that they can and use their past experience to help their classmates. Then, it should be fine. Missmuff is right in saying that in the end, everyone will be in the same class and it won't matter (too much anyways) who has experience and who doesn't. Granted those like BlueSuiter DO have more experience and i'm almost positive that its going to come in hand many times while at the academy. So long as no one gets cocky about it, i am perfectly fine with having others with more experience as part of my class me when i get there. So ya I dunno, I guess just my two cents. :)</p>

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<p>missmuff, i hope i dont ever come off as if the rules don't apply to me hehe.</p>

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<p>"i ask the priors in my squad alot of questions, because they actually know what goes on out there, and we dont. i respect them for that"</p>

<p>The above has always been conveyed as the prevailing view. F22 arrogance is not a trait the Academy wants to instill and therefore humility is one of the first lessons taught to each member of each entering class.</p>

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<p>Right. I figured all that and i guess thats what i was trying to say so ya, thanks :)</p>

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<p>One of the speakers here for NCLS is SSG Rowe Stayton, a 1973 USAFA grad. Yes, you read that right. After graduation, he served as an F-15 pilot until getting out as a Major to practice law in the early 80s. After 9/11, he wanted to serve again. Who would take a 51 year old guy...? The Army, of course. Sergeant Stayton entered the Army as a team leader and has done two tours in Baghdad with soldiers 30 years his junior. Despite achievement after achievement and medal after medal (including a Bronze Star, etc.), he's the most humble and well-intentioned guy you'll ever meet. Good trait to have.</p>

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<p>that is pretty awesome. very cool. :)</p>

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<p>got to talk to him for a second at a-hall sometime today. amazing guy, really a role model.</p>

<p>mateus, you've never come off that way to me, at least. haha :)</p>

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<p>Just the other day I heard a preppie bragging about how they get paid seven times more than freshmen at the academy and it just blew my mind. It is definitely a generalization, but I feel like many of the preppies come into the academy with a chip on their shoulder. It seems they feel that since they already put in a year, they don't need to go through 4degree year. And I have to say, I haven't noticed that attitude so much in priors. I've noticed it more in the recruited athletes. The freshmen year is meant to be humbling, but some people are just too anchored on their pedestal to step off for a while. I want to reiterate that I have no problem with preppies (I have a good friend who is a preppie), but something needs to change.</p>

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<p>So there is a retired Brig. Gen who is an Asst. ALO for my town that is i guess getting ready to be the new one. His name is Dale Stovall. I know him (from the interviews and such) and he wants to take me to coffee as a congratulatory thing for my appt. He said as a four dig i'm going to have to memorize his bio? Any of you guys know him/ heard him? just curious if it turns out he's one of those big named people and i wasn't aware of it ;)</p>

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<p>Biographies</a> : BRIGADIER GENERAL DALE E. STOVALL</p>

<p>Preppie class of '63!</p>

<p>Alright, so as to the recruited athlete preps... yeah we have the same problem with them down here about military issues. Trust me, that is AFTER a year of training that you see them and there is a reason they come here.</p>

<p>As to the pay - sorry about <strong>complaining</strong> and moaning about that. I think that is a military wide thing that you will always find someone that has something they have to complain about, in our case (priors) it is especially painful since we do have such a large decrease in pay. The other preps actually DON'T make more than the cadets, just we don't have the money pulled out so they see all of it. They do not get E1 pay if they make it sound like it.</p>

<p>As to the need of a fourth class year... I wouldn't debate it but that goes into my belief in the difference of that year preparing us to be better cadets, not airman. My understanding of the fourth class year is that it instills a need to be a follower first, leader second, and it does a good job of that. My only <strong>complaining</strong> is that the system also tends to create leaders that don't respect those beneath them. It was not unheard of in the units I have been assigned to that when a new LT came in we would take bets on their commissioning source - no one bothered with the academy grads. We ALL knew them; they made sure we knew them. <strong>plug</strong> Please don't be that guy. I believe this to be a great leadership institution but please recognize that as much as the priors and preppies may be fish out of water on the Hill, so will a new LT be in the real AF. Be humble.</p>

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<p>So it is true... i never knew i had to memorize like, his life! haha</p>

<p>Well put on the other stuff too from what i can tell</p>

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<p>To date in 3 generations of my family, we have over 144 years of service. Every year up until this January has been served enlisted, my cousin just commissioned with I believe 13 years enlisted. My dad has been full-time Air Guard for 33 almost 34 years now. He just returned from deployment and of course had poor officer stories. I just jokingly said "ha! and to think you raised a future officer." To that he said, "yeah, and if you turn out like that, i'll still kick your A**!" So for me, I hope i'd never turn into "that LT" who treats the ones who really make it tick like dirt. </p>

<p>I'm probably going to regret saying this, but if any of the upper cadets see me getting out of line/hot headed/full of myself... Please drop me!</p>

<p>Yup, probably will regret that.</p>

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<p>That's true of any new LT though, not just academy grads. In fact, it's true whenever you have one person leading others- they need to be humble.
All that matters how you conduct yourself.
So just remember when you get here ths summer, 2013- treat us with respect, and we will do the same unto you, because that is the basis of leadership. Yes, you will meet jerks here who will not, and they should not even be commissioned- but somehow they get through the cracks.
And as a prior told us today: "Embrace the suck."</p>

<p>-I'm probably going to regret saying this, but if any of the upper cadets see me getting out of line/hot headed/full of myself... Please drop me!
You don't have to ask. And you'll get yelled at, a TON. And maybe fail a week of basic for a "poor attitude" (I know of someone this actually happened to). You'll even get dropped for doing stuff right, mostly because the PT program in basic isn't where it should be and the cadre literally need to PT you to get you ready for the PFT.</p>

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<p>Ummmm, well I have my own view on things, but I guess there are only two pieces of advice needed here...</p>

<p>1) Lock your facebook and stay out of groups</p>

<p>2) Appointee or Preppie, whatever you are, your attitude will come full circle if not by the end of basic than by recognition and beyond, multiple times if needed. Everyone be humble, prepare for BCT, and enjoy life at home, because no matter what you do or how tough you may think you are, you will hit that wall hard, the one that has "Why in the hell am I doing this?" written in big bold letters... Live it up now, and make it through to join the Wing up here on the Hill... </p>

<p>We, as CC'ers, are pulling for all of you, and you will always have a community to turn to with questions and concerns, but even if I did have a distaste for a certain group, preppies, IC's, or the honor guard kids, that is neither here nor there. We are a class, we are 2012, Petko and company in 2011, hornet and eagle in 2010, and you soon to be basics in 2013(I totally typed 2009 the first time and had to change it), anywho, the bottom line is this, look out for your squadmates, classmates, and all of your fellow cadets because we are only successful as a Wing. Let's not toot and hoot who did what and get to RECOGNITION (2012), GRADUATION (2009) and BASIC (2013) and go from there please?</p>

<p>(Sorry ummm RING DANCE (2010) and uhhhhhhhhhhhh hmmmmmmmmmmmm, oh yea, CARS (2011)...) ;)</p>

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<p>95 days until cars. Everything else is secondary.</p>

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<p>I recall a quotation from Alexander Hamilton (father of the Coast Guard) that sums it up well:</p>

<p>“They will always keep in mind that their countrymen are freemen, and, as such, are impatient of everything that bears the least mark of a domineering spirit. They will, therefore, refrain, with the most guarded circumspection, from whatever has the semblance of haughtiness, rudeness, or insult. If obstacles occur, they will remember that they are under the particular protection of the laws and that they can meet with nothing disagreeable in the execution of their duty which these will not severely reprehend. This reflection, and a regard to the good of the service, will prevent, at all times a spirit of irritation or resentment. They will endeavor to overcome difficulties, if any are experienced, by a cool and temperate perseverance in their duty--by address and moderation, rather than by vehemence or violence.”** - Alexander Hamilton, Letter of Instructions to the Commanding Officers of the Revenue Cutters, 4 June 1791**</p>

<p>:cool:</p>

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<p>stay out of facebook groups or just be careful with them?</p>

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<p>just be careful! lol</p>

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<p>wow. that whole thing came full circle...</p>