<p>I spoke to my friend and she informed me she wants to fake 2 leadership roles. I advised her not to, but she seems pretty stuck to her idea.</p>
<p>Will she get caught? Does Columbia check?</p>
<p>I really wish she didn't, but she thinks I'm trying to prevent her from getting in -_-</p>
<p>(which I'm obviously not)</p>
<p>Suggestions?</p>
<p>...and by your "friend" do you mean YOU? Why would she tell you that, anyway? You know you can't trust anyone today.</p>
<p>No not me. Thanks, man -_-</p>
<p>Cuz she wants to know if she'd get caught, which I would imagine she would. Is there anything I can say to her to scare her out of doing it?</p>
<p>they can ask your school if you really did have that leadership role...they can contact your counsellor, it happened at my school..so don't fake anything...</p>
<p>"Leadership positions" are BS unless you've done something meaningful. It won't matter if you have a fake leadershp position or a real leadership position where you went to a couple meetings.</p>
<p>My girlfriend wants to report her, but whatever I'm staying out of it.</p>
<p>Thanks either way</p>
<p>Wether it is you or your friend, I wouln't fake, because at random, colleges do background check, and if found guilty, they will report, rescind application, and even go as far as letting other colleges know, if you mentioned what other colleges you are applying in your paperwork. be careful.</p>
<p>Bad idea. Blatantly dishonest for one, and furthermore risky - getting caught would probably be an automatic rejection or rescinding. If she wanted those titles on her transcript she should've actually done it like the rest of us. What if she gets accepted and takes the spot of someone who was honest? This is simply unethical. Report her.. maybe for my sake. I'm applying ED with an honest application.</p>
<p>Well, Ivy League schools do check sometimes. Not all the time, but sometimes they do. Plus, it makes them suspicious when leadership roles are self-reported but there's nothing about them in the letters of rec from teachers or councilors.</p>
<p>Instead of reporting your friends, tell them the above (which is true), but embellish it to make it seem like it's more likely they'll get caught...</p>
<p>Yeah you guys are right. I'm gonna tell her and if she doesn't, I have no choice but to report her. I don't really have any leadership roles, but I refuse to lie about it and I would hope other people do the same...starting with her.</p>
<p>Thanks for the insight guys</p>
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<p>Titles on her transcript? They're just stupid clubs.</p>
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What if she gets accepted and takes the spot of someone who was honest? This is simply unethical.
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<p>People cheat (albeit, to varying degrees) -- it's a fact of life. Most Columbia students have cheated. Grow a pair.</p>
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I'm gonna tell her and if she doesn't, I have no choice but to report her.
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<p>Don't be a rat. Nobody likes a rat.</p>
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I wouln't fake, because at random, colleges do background check,
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<p>Do you have any evidence to substantiate this assertion, or are you BSing? I'm not aware of any top college that does random checks to verify club membership rosters.</p>
<p>"Most Columbia students have cheated. Grow a pair"? </p>
<p>Well, well, aren't you a cool kid, huh? </p>
<p>Sorry, but I believe in something called ethics. </p>
<p>Why don't you stop childishly justifying dishonesty by saying 'everyone does it' and grow the **** up. I'd expect more from you.</p>
<p>it's not a matter of "growing a pair" - people who are willing to give it their actual best shot are the ones with "a pair", not the ones who don't have confidence in themselves and therefore need to create a fake identity.</p>
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Most Columbia students have cheated. Grow a pair.
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that's horse manure, and insulting to boot.</p>
<p>unless you consider helping each other with problem sets and homework to be "cheating", I knew of exactly one incident in 4 years where a student did something unethical in regards to his academics. And I had my eyes wide open and a pretty good social network.</p>
<p>Slandering your alma mater, when you've got nothing to back it up, really is pretty low, C02.</p>
<p>I feel like Denzera and CO2 are the Columbia CC kings...going at each other, in a good healthy dialectic of course</p>
<p>This isn't going to be healthy: C02, you disgust me. </p>
<p>Peter: it doesn't matter whether CU checks or not. That's not the point, the point is your friend is fudging a transcript. It's plain dishonest. It violates the integrity of your high school and the foundations upon which Columbia was built. </p>
<p>Yes of course some of us have 'cheated'--by copying someone else's homework or perhaps even peeking at another's exam. But for the most part, they're for personal gain: it's one person's risk to bear (i'm not endorsing it, so don't jump down my throat)</p>
<p>Fudging an application doesn't only put your friend in jeapordy, she could take the spot of someone who had an honest application. If she's found out, your entire school could take a hit. Tell her to think a little. This is a childish, selfish, insecure thing to do.</p>
<p>In fact, tell her not to apply at all. Who wants another Madonna Constantine walking campus?</p>
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<p>My statement wasn't specifically that they cheated AT Columbia. They've cheated at some stage of their academic lives. </p>
<p>I've seen plenty of cheating at Columbia. A number of major incidents; two where they got caught and ended up with a slap on the wrist, and the rest where they got away with it. (I'm obviously not going to post specifics on this public board, but PM me if you're curious.) And I've also seen a lot of relatively "minor" cheating -- copying problem sets, giving someone their comp-sci program, using someone else's data in the chem lab report, tipping off someone who takes a make-up exam, signing in a friend at a class/recitation where attendance is taken, etc.</p>
<p>Therefore you should condone it in applicants? And tell people who object to cheating to 'grow a pair'?</p>
<p>Makes me wonder if you even earned your degree from Columbia legitimately.</p>
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Therefore you should condone it in applicants? And tell people who object to cheating to 'grow a pair'?
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<p>I don't condone it in applicants. I however don't think applicants should rat other applicants out for making up stupid club positions. It's a life lesson -- people will cheat and get away with it.</p>
<p>Update: I told her counselor there is something "fishy" on her application and she should check it out. So I didn't tell really "tell" on her, just gave a heads up to her GC.</p>