Fall 2005 USNEWS Rankings!

<p>Higher prof salaries and better state funding. I don't see much chance of either anytime soon.</p>

<p>"I'm real curious about Michigan, because its Fall 2004 numbers were very unusual"</p>

<p>could someone elaborate on that?</p>

<p>Check out the old US News rankings in the late '80s that were only done by academic reputation. </p>

<p>US News 1988 rankings (by reputation only):</p>

<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
</ol>

<p>Actually I thought Michigan was considered a top 4-5 school from 1850-1974 (when the state budget for it got cut literally in half).</p>

<p>Fed up Michigan professors (because they weren't advancing fast enough) are responsible for founding a lot of schools now ranked above it. (Cornell, JHU, Northwestern)</p>

<p>Yeah why would UMich fall in the rankings from its current spot of #22 if it had its most competitive class of applicants ever this year?</p>

<p>Because, this year, almost every other school in the top 50 accepted students from their most competetive group of applicants ever.</p>

<p>good call lol</p>

<p>What about NYU? it seems on the rise, and it rose a spot (puh, i know) from last year. I mean, im biased as i'll be going there haha. But in 2004 it had more applications than ever.</p>

<p>If you compare apples to apples in comparing today's rankings to those in 1988 (which as noted above, are solely reputation rankings), Michigan is now tied for something like 9th. Luckily you can do that because they give you reputation score. I don't have my US News handy, but reputation is right there as one of the components, I think the first column; they don't hide it or anything. U-M's reputation hasn't dropped much if at all. </p>

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"I'm real curious about Michigan, because its Fall 2004 numbers were very unusual"

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They added essays to the app, and apps fell off. That drove down selectivity, but then yield was incredible--higher than anything recorded in the prior 7 years. 'Twas a crazy year.</p>

<p>i read (i forgot when) in the Michigan Daily that state funding accounts for less than 10% of the school's budget, so why is Michigan still a Public institution?</p>

<p>So, what about UNC chapel hill? it was ranked 29th last year.</p>

<p>b238, I think that chapel hill will pretty much stay in its place.</p>

<p>What about emory? I think that Emory will go up this year.</p>

<p>But here's the thing about Michigan: I'm pretty sure that applications went down for 2003-04 because it was a new application and the school got some bad publicity due to the 2 affirmative-action supreme court cases. But this year applications and selectivity are up...</p>

<p>Michigan's becoming a big safety school for some kids in my high school</p>

<p>so far, every kid who applied there has got in its honor program</p>

<p>What kind of school do you go to? A lot of people consider Michigan to be very prestigous.</p>

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Michigan's becoming a big safety school for some kids in my high school

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<p>I think that's a function of size. You can be more sure you'll get into a school thats taking 5k students per undergrad class than a school with 1000 per class.</p>

<p>Doesn't mean the talent etc isn't there.</p>

<p>the more they stay the same. BarryD, the 1988 USNWR ranking took only academic excellence into consideration. It did not look into alumni donation or financial aid offerings or graduation rates. But as Hoedown pointed out, if you compare apples to apples, you will see that things have almost not changed over the last 16 years. Check out the similarities between the 1988 ranking and the 2004 "Peer Assessment Score". </p>

<p>US News 1988 rankings (by reputation only):</p>

<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
</ol>

<p>US News 2004 Peer Assessment Score ranking:
1. Harvard
1. MIT
1. Princeton
1. Stanford
1. Yale
6. Berkeley
7. CalTech
7. Columbia
9. Chicago
9. Cornell
9. Duke
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Michigan
9. Penn</p>

<p>As you can see, there have been very few changes. In fact, all of the top 10 universities in 1988 were still in the top 10 in 2004.</p>

<p>ThomYorke, Michigan is a safety school for excellent studens, true enough, but the overall quality of the student body is almost equal to those are elite private universities a quarter its size.</p>

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why is Michigan still a Public institution?

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<p>Because $350+ million (the appropriation) is nothing to sneeze at.</p>

<p>And in truth, the 10% is figured on the budget with the medical center included. When you leave off the medical center, state funding is in the neighborhood of 30%. Still not great of course.</p>

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Michigan's becoming a big safety school for some kids in my high school

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<p>Becoming? Your school may be just discovering it, but I believe it's been a safety for some Ivy-calibre students for awhile now. It's a great option for top students. No shame in being a safety for the kinds of students it's a safety for!</p>

<p>Well Thom, aren't you and your friends special.</p>