You looked through every single CC on assist?!
No, it won’t be held against you, or anyone.
Okay, so far it seems like no individual component of the apps will really sway the admission decision, but what about UCLA extension classes? I took Stats XL at UCLA extension and received an A- . Does the fact that I took the class at the campus and with a professor that teaches the same course (along with materials and syllabus) during the day maybe help? Im hoping the officer will be like “Oh, well…they’re not a math or science major…but they passed this stats class at UCLA…hmmm…” Maybe thats just wishful thinking lol
Its about the time where I’m starting to freak myself out…
Hey all, I made the boneheaded mistake of going through last year’s transfer thread and looked at all of the admissions decisions (big mistake, huge…) and I was noticing that people with 4.0’s were getting rejected even though they had pre-reqs and IGETC done. Was last year a particularly harsh year for transfer admits, or is UCLA always that picky? I’m pretty much screwed if they are…
@Mont2LA oh god. please don’t scare me 
If you look at how many cc students there are in CA (2.1 million) and any reasonable estimate at what proportion of those are “sophomores” and are eligible to apply there are a lot of eligible applicants. If even 1% of those have 4.0s, which isn’t unreasonable (I remember reading somewhere ~30% of grades in cc classes are A’s.) that would mean there are thousands of students with 4.0s eligible for transfer. Granted some of those may be students who already have degrees but with 2.1 million students there are almost surely more 4.0 students eligible for transfer than there are spots at UCLA so I’m sure plenty get rejected.
I don’t believe a lot of 4.0 students that have all pre-reqs done get rejected. If you look at the Fall 2015 stats for transfer students, there are 16700 applicants from california CCs (20,000 total), and 4800 of them gets accepted. That’s almost a 30% acceptance rate. If you are applying for a highly selective major like business economics, It might be a little bit different. At least the top 25% of the accepted students have a 4.0. The bottom 25th% has a 3.9. I believe the average was 3.93, I can’t find the stats, so you could roughly say that 25% of the students accepted have a 4.0 and 75% a 3.9. There are two possible explanations for this: 1- There are not a lot of 4.0 students with all pre-reqs done, otherwise the average GPA would be higher. 2- 4.0 and 3.9 students are considered the same, and the best applicant overall gets in. I prefer to believe the 1st one. With a 12% acceptance rate, I’m sure a few 4.0s are going to get rejected, but If I had to guess, I would say the acceptance rate for transfer students from California CCs with a 4.0 and all pre-reqs done is around 80%
Does anyone know if 3.9 was the cut off for business economics at UCLA? I have a 3.88 UC GPA as of fall and a 4.0 In major prep. Should I be worried?
80%??? in order for the acceptance rate to be 80% and the average accepted GPA not to be a 4.0 there would have to have been less than 6000 applicants with their pre reqs done and a 4.0 (6000*0.8=4800). That means out of 2.1 million students only 6000 would have applied to ucla with their pre reqs done and a 4.0. That is 0.29% or 1 in every 350 students. To put that in perspective that would mean that at a 52,000 student college like mount sac there would only be 148 students who meet that criteria. Does that seem right to you? no way. I know at least 3 people besides myself applying with 4.0s and pre reqs completed this cycle (and I don’t know anywhere near other 1400 students). Whats more likely is that there are a lot of 4.0 applicants (I would guess somewhere around 9-10k per year) and that admission rates for 4.0s (and other GPAs) vary drastically depending on other conditioning factors. IE acceptance rate for white bread 4.0s may be something like 30%, vs 4.0s working 40 hours a week and with lots of EC’s being 80%. those last two percentages were based on nothing and are just to illustrate a point.
Maybe in Life Skills 101 there are 30% A’s, but in UC-transferable courses like calculus or biology or physics there are usually 3-4 A’s, 15+ B’s, 15+ C’s and 3-4 of D’s and F’s in a standard class of about 40 people.
This is called a normal distribution and it’s what the UC system expects from any school worth accepting transfers from.
Mosst community colleges have a “graduation rate” (which I’m assuming includes transfers) of ~10%. Even among transfers the percentage of people with a 4.0 isn’t 1%, much less the population at large. Heck, it’s not even 1% on here (and this forum attracts really motivated people).
Weird the CCC chancellors office data seems to think there were 32% A’s in UC transferable courses in the fall semester. http://datamart.cccco.edu/Outcomes/Grades_Distribution_Summary.aspx
select fall 2015, then check “credit status” and page 5 of the report shows the distribution of grades for transferable course work.
I’m not sure you would expect grades to be normally distributed at CC since most classes don’t grade on a curve
Out of curiosity, how did all of you applicants select the schools you applied to? I’m honestly curious if the application submission behavior is different in community college as opposed to what was the norm in high school.
Also if you look at transfer velocity data it seems like within 4 years about 25% of the most recently tracked “class” of entering cc students transferred to 4 year schools. http://datamart.cccco.edu/Outcomes/Transfer_Velocity.aspx
im not sure where you got 10%
Any population of averages in life follows a normal distribution. The only way it doesn’t is if there is some sort of bias going on, or there isn’t enough data present for the law of large averages to take effect. Schools like UCLA don’t have random selection, so the professors often need to correct for this by grading on a curve.
Grade inflation is not a concern at community colleges, since students comes from more random backgrounds, so professors don’t need to do so. The grades naturally approximate a normal distribution.
An A in a class like pottery has a different symbolic meaning than an A in mechanics. All the former really represents is “pass.” My point is just that the 30% figure you’re putting forward doesn’t accurately represent UC-transferable grades.
@screenname34
FAFSA reports show that my college, Moorpark College, has a 15.7% transfer rate. Also, of a campus of 2,252, 130 transferred within 2 years to any school (2007). Assuming that even 5% of these transfer students (1/20) had a 4.0, that’s 1.7% of my CC. 1.7% times 2.1 million is 35,700, if we were to extrapolate.
I think you’re right that there are probably a few thousand 4.0’s that apply each year. Considering that a single UC campus like San Diego or LA can get 100,000+ applications. So there are probably a few hundred thousand total applicants to all the campuses.
I just don’t think it’s 1% among community college students.
@falltransfer1 First off they don’t approximate a normal distribution, just look at the link I sent you. Second grades in CC are not a combination of normally distributed parts. Most classes have a good chunk of the grade made up of stuff like homework, participation or essays (which usually have a bimodal distribution, you did them or you didnt).
Also even tests grades may not be normally distributed. The raw scores of each test will be distributed normally around a mean but that mean can be anywhere and the percentile rank of each test is completely independent of the letter grade assigned to it. For instance you could have a group of grades centered at 95/100 (with a small standard deviation) which are normally distributed, yet the letter grades associated with them would not be normally distributed (they would be almost 100% A’s). You’re assuming that letter grades are a measure of your rank in the class but they’re not and so they don’t, and shouldn’t, follow a normal distribution.
@screenname34 Sorry, I didn’t get the 2.1 million students thing. UCLA stats say that 16,000 students applied from California CCs. (30% admit rate) What percentage of the students that applied do you think have a 4.0 and all pre-reqs done (considering all majors)? Lets say its 10%. Then if 80% of these students are accepted you have roughly 1300 students accepted with 4.0s. (out of 4800). So 27% of the admitted students would have a 4.0 and all pre-reqs done. It sounds reasonable to me…
@falltransfer1 LA gets around 20,000 applicants and there is probably MASSIVE overlap between applicants to different campuses (IE most people who applied to LA apply to SD). so I doubt there are a few hundred thousand CC applicants.
@solostish thanks for putting real numbers to what I was saying. Assuming your school is any indication of the general population thats 35,000 4.0 applicants applying to the same 3 schools (sd, la, ucb) which all admit ~5000 applicants. And we know their average admitted GPA is a less than a 4.0 which means a lot of them are getting turned away.
If anyone has any stats regarding what percentage of transfer students that applied to UCLA have a 4.0, that would be great! I think we could figure out the exact percentages then…