Feminists

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<p>feminists are women who suffer from an inferiority complex and from... boredom.</p>

<p>Yes, we all know that women should be equal. And they are. And it is indeed true that our society has yet to achieve 100% equality status, but every year we are making tremendous progress. So all you ladies out there who call themselves feminists - SHUT UP! JUST SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET! Let things take care of themselves; If you just drop it, and let it continue progressing, in 20 years complete equality will be achieved.</p>

<p>What I hate about you feminists is not your ideas - I completely agree with them (except for the part which says men are evil...). What I hate is that you are obsessed with what should not be obsessed over. Like the whole Harvard sexist principal deal.</p>

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<p>I have no problems with women being treated equally as men in terms of promotions and pay; but they should also give the employer the same treatment a man would. For example, a man would not need off 6 months for maternity leave, or time off to stay at home to raise the kids. You can have an awesome career or an awesome family, but don't expect both and claim discrimination when you don't get the same pay.</p>

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<p>JoeV - then tell me, please, how it is that women who have never had children can experience discrimination. I'm talking about women in their mid-30s who get lower pay, fewer promotions - I know one who was explicitly told that she would have been made a senior VP at a bank five years prior to that date had she been a man.</p>

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<p>That is just due to the old boys club that might not never dismantled dispite all anti-discrimination efforts by anyone. That is discrimination ariesathena plain and simple.</p>

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feminists are women who suffer from an inferiority complex and from... boredom.</p>

<p>Yes, we all know that women should be equal. And they are. And it is indeed true that our society has yet to achieve 100% equality status, but every year we are making tremendous progress. So all you ladies out there who call themselves feminists - SHUT UP! JUST SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET! Let things take care of themselves; If you just drop it, and let it continue progressing, in 20 years complete equality will be achieved.

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oh right..so if Blacks just sat down and shut up in the 1960's, then they would have equal rights today?... There's an inherent flaw in your argument. If feminists didn't exist we wouldn't even be discussing equality! It takes people to stand up for themselves for things to change. If complete equality doesn't exist, then someone needs to make society aware of it before anything can happen. </p>

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What I hate about you feminists is not your ideas - I completely agree with them (except for the part which says men are evil...). What I hate is that you are obsessed with what should not be obsessed over. Like the whole Harvard sexist principal deal.

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<p>"you feminists"?? I think every girl here just mentioned that there is no such thing as "you feminists"....feminism is ten times more complex than that. There are feminists who wouldn't consider the Harvard President's comments sexist but there are also some who would. No one obsesses over a single comment anyway. We "obsess" over the mindset it expresses. Assuming that women are not "built" for the scientific world (which, arguably is false, but I don't at all know if it's actually true) and therefore are not going to enter into engineering and such implies that women are incapable of extending their influence in all aspects of the intellectual world. If women are not "manufactured" for science, than men are equally not "manufactured" for the humanities - and yet, the proportion of male authors, philosophers, lawyers and politicians is far, far greater than the proportion of women engineers. If men are able to overcome the innate lack of propensity towards the humanities, women can do the same in the field of science. Thus, for the Harvard President to imply that because women have less of a propensity toward engineering means there will always (or for a very long time) be few women in science is to assume women are inferior in that they cannot overcome the same obstacles that men can. That's the mindset that comments like that portray - thats the type of mindset we need to get rid of. It's not the comment itself.</p>

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<p>feminists caused the prohibition, and the prohibition brought up the Mafia. Through the years, the Mafia brought drugs into this country, and this still remains a problem today, ruining the lives of tens of thousands.</p>

<p>Conclusion - feminists shouldn't be allowed to vote lololol</p>

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<p>o.O Feminists were the ones who tried to top slavery I believed. =[ Orrican I think you don't like women to have rights huh? >/// No wonder so many women became singles or lesibians. Anyhoo, xD you go girl LadyInRed! =] You're my hero!</p>

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<p>LadyInRed said it well. </p>

<p>If, throughout time, men had been discriminated against in the humanities - if there were no male professors at the college level, few prominent male writers and poets, and the men that did pursue those professions were chased out... the comments about men not being suited to writing and "right brain" work would be deeply disturbing to them. As it stands, however, men don't fear discrimination in publishing or whatever - they dominated those fields throughout history. </p>

<p>An odd fact for you: male-dominated professions are thought to be more difficult, prestigous and intellectually challenging... even though those specific professions change over time. At one point, psychology was revered the way we think of engineering now - around the time of Freud, when women were just not welcome there. Then women flooded into psych, and the focus went to the sciences. Women flooded bio, and it became a "soft science," to be differentiated from chem & physics.</p>

<p>I think the difference is in the ability to overcome discrimination in each field. If you want to write in the nineteenth century, pull out your quill pen and write. Use a pseudonym, and presto! Charlotte Bronte becomes Currier Bell and a prominent author. It's not like women can just haul out and get a lab to themselves to do great science. What, are you going to pick up Bunsen burners and some beakers at the general store? Sure, you can do great math in a log cabin, a la Ted Kazinski, but women were probably not educated far enough in math to be able to contribute to the field. In short, societal assets (education, labs, equipment, etc) are much more important in the sciences and math than they are in literature - which is why women have an easier time bucking the trend in the humanities. </p>

<p>It was not long ago that women were thought incapable of running marathons or anything longer than a mile - now we are finding out that women are better kick-boxers and ultra-marathoners than men. Every year, the time difference between the top woman marathoner and the top man marathoner at Boston diminishes. At the current rate, women will surpass men in a few hundred years - just an odd fact for you. They said it was "biological," that women were just not "manufactured" for that. Ha! It was not long ago that women were thought intellectually inferiour overall - not just in math, but in humanities and literature as well. Ha!</p>

<p>To those who know their history - the Harvard comments are more in a long line of anti-woman comments which have been proven wrong.</p>

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<p>O no, I definitely think women should have the same rights as men - and they do!</p>

<p>What the feminists are doing is making a crusade over a problem that is TINy in today's American society. Small cases in which women get an unequal pay in particular companies is dealt well by the courts. </p>

<p>The feminist movement was releveant up untill 30 years ago. But today they are pointless and consist of bored attention seeking women.</p>

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<p>LOL I think a woman should be the president of US. X] That would be awesome ha ha ha.</p>

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<p>Yea it would be, except that it will never happen.</p>

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<p>The people who ask those who defend feminism to "SHUT UP! JUST SIT DOWN AND BE QUIET!" should take their own goddamn advice.<br>
Protest against any type of discrimination, whether it involves the Harvard sexist principal or the inevitable but unjust treatment of Arab-Americans, is a reflection of a healthy society.<br>
And I'm sorry, but I have never known change to occur if people just "Let things take care of themselves" and even if so (that change were to happen without some catalyst) something that could have taken "20 years" could be shortened to 10 or 5 years.</p>

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<p>=] lol orrican, you will never know xD [Sticks tongue out at Orrican]</p>

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<p>O don't tell me you agree with the feminists in the Harvard principal issue... the guy made a friking observation...</p>

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Small cases in which women get an unequal pay in particular companies is dealt well by the courts.

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<p>Please cite sources. </p>

<p>I rarely say that, but I will here... because it's just a (pardon me) dumb thing to say. VERY FEW women in their right minds would sue their employers. 75% of a man's pay is better than no pay. It beats the stigma of having complained. What, find another job when you sued your last employer? Who is going to hire you? When you sue, you have to prove that you were discriminated against. You have to pay your lawyer (although you could be reimbursed). Most women instead opt to leave, to switch companies, to just put up with it, or to stay at home with the kids. If Hubby's job is treating him well and paying him what he is worth, and the wife's job is treating her like crap, not promoting her, and not paying her what she is worth, why would she keep the job and have him at home? Doesn't it make sense to have her at home?</p>

<p>Can you start to see how this then causes a vicious cycle... oh, don't hire women because they leave work to raise their kids? I've had a ton of work experience - let me tell you, women who feel like they are being treated equally at work make an effort to stay there. They worked their butts off for that engineering degree and want to stay there. Newsflash: staying home with kids stinks. Kids are not rational. Adults at work are rational. No one pays you to stay home with the kids. You aren't stimulated the way you are at work. You aren't challenged. </p>

<p>Enough ranting for today.</p>

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<p>=] Or just turn never get married, Orrican?</p>

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<p>Orrican has proved again and again that there is a need for feminism. Lewd remarks such as "why don't we glue *****es to all women" indicate that a person has run out of an argument.</p>

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<p>My buddy broke it down to his wife after she was complaining about something to do with staying at home with the kids and she ended up crying after he figured he could get her entire day done by 11 am and still have time to go to the golf course, take a nap, and read a book.</p>

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<p>That marriage is going to be one of the millions that doesn't make it, and that statement is just too ignorant (that a stay-at-home mom can have everything done by 11 am) is just too ignorant to argue with.</p>

<p>Then again, if he can get it done by 11 am, maybe they should switch.</p>

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<p>el padrino, my statement "why don't we glue *****es to all women" indicates getting tired of this debate, not that I ran out of arguments.</p>

<p>You compare the discrimination against women to the past discrimination against blacks...</p>

<p>With all due respect, women aren't made to sit in the back of the bus, and neither are they being lynched for their gender. </p>

<p>instead of bussying themselves with this crap, feminists should turn their energy towards debating over the war on terror and other issues that concern the very existance of this country.</p>