<p>this convo is going downhill.</p>
<p>ok rabblerouser first off youre an idiot for calling your idea radical and thinking youre going to make the change by posting it on collegeconfidential. secondly, the reason races developed out of Africa is because when people are secluded and the way evolution works, the traits that are deemed fit to reproduce do. this is why races developed; differences in culture. different things are considered greater in different societies so the people of those societies become this way. racism is true - not all races are created equal. which one is the best? who knows. seems like whities are winning however</p>
<p>Race based college admissions is by definition racist.</p>
<p>One way to end race based admissions, is for all like minded people to undermine the system.</p>
<p>One way to do that is for everyone to declare they are one race.</p>
<p>There are no clear definitions of the races. </p>
<p>Skin color is observable, but it is NOT definitive. There are "lighter" skinned people who say they are African American.</p>
<p>North Africans, who are mostly white are still African. </p>
<p>There are people who are decendents of those who have African ancestry who chose to pass for "white" many years ago. [Though I don't think passing should matter.]</p>
<p>African American's want to claim, Obama as African American, though he is half white. Tiger Woods is half Asian, yet he is said by most to be African American. </p>
<p>We don't know what our ancestors intermarried with in the distant past. Even those who believe they know their lineage for 100 or 200 years, don't know it for 1,000; 5,000; or 10,000 years. </p>
<p>Nobody really knows their ancestry. Even genetic testing can't tell us about all of the branches of our genetic inheritance. It only tells us about one male and one female branch. We each have 5,000 to 10,000 such branches. </p>
<p>We all started with one set of ancestors 100,000 to 200,000 years ago. An Adam and Eve so to speak. Their decendents moved all over the world. </p>
<p>Those people were from Africa. So we all fully have an African heritage. </p>
<p>Every student should declare his or her African heritage and shake up the system that perpetuates racially biased college admissions.</p>
<p>If colleges challenged someone who said they were of African heritage and said they were not, they would have to "PROVE" it. </p>
<p>No college can prove someone's race. </p>
<p>There is no legal or even clearly defined definition. </p>
<p>If they did challenge someone on this issue you could take them to court and sue for damages. </p>
<p>Wealthy private schools have large endowments that enterprising lawyers would enjoy tapping. For instance, Harvard has an approximate $35 billion endowment and it is increasing about 20% per year. </p>
<p>The pain and suffering of being called a lyer about something - one's race - that isn't proveable would have substantial pain and suffering.</p>
<p>So young pre-laws, what do you say?</p>
<p>Attack the racially biased college admissions system. by telling the truth.</p>
<p>We ALL have an African heritage. </p>
<p>Any answer beyong that is guess work unless we know 100,000 to 200,00 years worth of our ancestors marriages, which is impossible.</p>
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this is why races developed; differences in culture. different things are considered greater in different societies so the people of those societies become this way. racism is true - not all races are created equal. which one is the best? who knows. seems like whities are winning however
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<p>There's really no such thing as the "white race". If you believe in races, there is the Caucasian race, consisting of such ethnic peoples such as Anglo-Saxons, Arabs, Jews, Persians, Slavs, etc. Whites are Caucasians, but Caucasians are not all white. </p>
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African American's want to claim, Obama as African American, though he is half white. Tiger Woods is half Asian, yet he is said by most to be African American.
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<p>As I said before, nobody is going to define Obama as white or Tiger as Asian because racism in America is mostly purely based on lookism. Both Obama and Tiger possess the two defining features of the designated black race: dark skin and black curly hair. Trying to persuade people that Obama is actually part-white is a useless endeavour, kind of like confronting intelligent designers with facts.</p>
<p>you missed my whole point</p>
<p>I'm not an advocate of intelligent design. </p>
<p>But from discussions and reading, I do know that intelligent design is not contradicted by any scientific issues. </p>
<p>Intelligent design says evolution was guided by the hand of god. Evolution still exists. </p>
<p>Advocates for intelligent design say the odds of Evolution getting all of the billions of factors required for life to exist, let alone evolve are beyond calculation. </p>
<p>According to advocates for intelligent design, the odds of evolution happening without a guiding hand are so small as to be virutally impossible. </p>
<p>So either we are just "very lucky". </p>
<p>Or "Someone" "stacked the card deck" in the game of chance in evolution.</p>
<p>Anybody who knows anything about evolution will know that the whole "odds of this happening" or "odds of that happening" is a bunch of BS.</p>
<p>Its nots just evolution....</p>
<p>its the odds of an environment conducive to life developing. </p>
<p>there have been many books written on the subject. </p>
<p>They are plausible.</p>
<p>Nothing that Intelligent Design posits has been rejected by science. </p>
<p>That Doesn't prove that intelligent design is a valid theory.</p>
<p>But it Intelligent Design hasn't been rejected either.</p>
<p>The odds of all of it are very slim, to be sure. But statistically speaking, anything with a probability greater than zero, with a large enough sample size or enough repetitions, is certain to happen.</p>
<p>In an expanse as (virtually) infinite as our universe, the probability of all the pieces falling into just the right place for life to flourish is, as a result, guaranteed.</p>
<p>The biggest difference between ID and plain evolution (or anything else) is that ID adds the element of a creator. Application of Occam's razor removes the creator from the equation.</p>
<p>The way to fight racial bias in college admissions is for all students to admit their African American heritage.</p>
<p>If you don't know what I mean, read the posts in this string.</p>
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But from discussions and reading, I do know that intelligent design is not contradicted by any scientific issues.
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<p>Wow, very convincing. No science that I know of contradicts the idea that I actually existed a gazillion years ago and actually was God himself. Must be a valid theory then.</p>
<p>This is what Pastafarianism tries to satirize, this "proof by ignorance" method. </p>
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According to advocates for intelligent design, the odds of evolution happening without a guiding hand are so small as to be virutally impossible.
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<p>It's definitely extremely difficult, but not impossible. Only those with lazy minds give up and just credit everything to a Christian God. </p>
<p>Watch Kenneth Miller destroy Intelligent Design. It's lengthy at 2 hours, but well worth it.</p>
<p>Intelligent design doesn't posit a "christian" god or even necessarily a "god"... but a guiding force helped create an environment suitable for life to exist and for life to evolve. You can call that god or anything else that you like, buddha, whatever. </p>
<p>Those who believe in science, including me, don't find anything in intelligent design that contradicts intelligent design. </p>
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<p>But this string is about defeating the ethnicity lobby. </p>
<p>For the ethnicity lobby to work, we all have to meakly divide ourselves in racial and ethnic groups.</p>
<p>We can undermine this pernicious force by not playing their game. </p>
<p>Admit your African American heritage....... ..</p>
<p>If you don't know what I mean.... real earlier posts in this string...</p>
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Intelligent design doesn't posit a "christian" god or even necessarily a "god"...
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<p>Yeah yeah, that's what they have to say in order to not have the Supreme Court come down on their asses for advocating religion. </p>
<p>Come on, everybody knows that the Discovery Institute, the leading echo chamber of pro-ID propaganda, is wholly funded by Christian extremists. But I'm sure they'd be more than willing to concede that it's Allah or even a secular supreme being who created everything.</p>
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Those who believe in science, including me, don't find anything in intelligent design that contradicts intelligent design.
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<p>The burden of proof is on ID to make its case. You simply cannot posit a likely bogus claim and then say that it has a valid place in science simply because there's no hard evidence against it. See Pastafarianism.</p>
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Since when is skin colour an indicator of race? Think outside of historical precedent and for yourself, for once.
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<p>You're a fool. Most of the time it is, outside of those exceptions where people as white as paper call themselves black because of America's wonderful racial classification system.</p>
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You're a fool. Most of the time it is, outside of those exceptions where people as white as paper call themselves black because of America's wonderful racial classification system.
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<p>Then why is not height or weight also an indicator of race? </p>
<p>*"Because... because... because... That's just the way it is cuz my daddy told me so!" *</p>
<p>Not an acceptable answer.</p>
<p>Skin color is not a reliable indicator of race.</p>
<p>There are people from South India, whose skin color is darker than many Africans in Africa. </p>
<p>Does that make Indian immigrants to the U.S. who excel in school honorary African Americans. </p>
<p>They have dark skin and excel academically anyway. </p>
<p>How about light skinned African American's?</p>
<p>They have intermarried with other races, have lighter skin than some Mediterranian people but still self identify as African American's. </p>
<p>All the poeple whose heritage is in north Africa who are as white as Europeans, are also African American. </p>
<p>There is no easy definition of race. It is generally done by observation and is wrong frequently. </p>
<p>Race is not a reliable way to divide up the spoils of the admissions game. </p>
<p>Its time that people rebelled against this stupid system.</p>