Fill in the SAT blank chances thread at ED Princeton

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<p>Ok, heres the deal, right now I don't think I'll get into princeton, regardless of when I'd apply. I know that they take half thier class early decsision, and there is a slightly less competitive pool (as the SCEAers will not be there) Princeton is my number #1 school, but I don't think I should hurt my chances at other schools by not applying early action. I have no problem signing a contract and getting no FA. However, I feel my SAT scores are too low, and that is the only part that is really bringing down my application. Fortunatly I can re-take in October. Here's the question: </p>

<p>What SAT score would I need to get to give me very good chances for Princeton ED?</p>

<p>Cumlative UW GPA :96.471238 Weighted GPA :103.3912
Class Rank 3/733
A = 92-100
so I have straight As
I have a slight upward trend in all classes</p>

<p>9th UW GPA : 95.7 Weighted GPA :101.04
Classes - hardest course load
honors Algebra II, Biology, and English I
avd World History
German I, Gym, Intro to Improv</p>

<p>10th UW GPA : 96.3 Weighted GPA :104.15
Classes - hardest course load (harder than most dropped lunch)
AP Statistics
Honors English II, US History I, Pre-Calc/Trig, Chemistry
German II, Gym, Improvisation and Acting</p>

<p>11th UW GPA : 97.5 Weighted GPA :104.86
Classes - hardest course load (droped lunch for a P/F indepented study of AP Micro and Macro Economics)
AP Calculus AB, US History
Honors Phyics, English III
German III, Gym, Advanced Improvisation</p>

<p>School weights honors and AP classes by 1.13 </p>

<p>Senior Classes - (dropped lunch for extra science, self studing AP psychology outside of school)
AP Chemisty, Biology, Calc BC, US Government, English
Honors German IV
Gym, Independent Study Improvisation</p>

<p>SATs (4/1/2006):
Math : 760
Reading : 670 - ouchtown
Writing: 690 - ouchtown
Essay: 12</p>

<p>SAT IIs (6/2006):
Math II : 800
US History : 760
Physics: 740</p>

<p>Extra cirriculars:
Student Council President (been VP and senator in years past)
School board rep
NHS
Varsity Chess Team (conference champs)
Math Team (best in the school/various awards)
Theater and musicals I do plays</p>

<p>Other ecs
CTY Lancaster
FPMS Algebra I
Game Theory
Mathematical Logic
Number Theory</p>

<p>Worked in summer for: Acme, Movie Theater, Fish Market, General Store, Watied tables, buses tables, and for local Municipal Government</p>

<p>Background: South Jersey, on a Bloody ISLAND!</p>

<p>Current grade - Senior
public non competitive<br>
Ethnicity - WASP
College generation - 2nd
Legacies - Parents have 5 degrees from rutgers (both Ugrad) 1 from NYU, and 1 from Columbia, none will help me much</p>

<p>Any other information: Rubik's cube in under 2:00
Rubik's Revenge in under 8:00
PSAT: 209 commendation
rec basketball
AP Stat 5
APUSH 5
AP Calc AB 5
AP Micro 5
AP Macro 4</p>

<p>So if I get a score of _____ I will have a good shot in getting into princeton.
I am studing my butt off!</p>

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<p>I would say a good shot would be 2300. A fair shot you would only need probably a 2200+, but thats fair, as in, its possible. I would aim for 2300+. I have similar stats to you, and I'm retaking them in the october with a single sitting score of 2220, my goal is a 2350 combined. With a 12 on the essay, you should be able to easily raise the writing a bit higher, and math can be raised easily by pure practice. Don't count on a huge raise in verbal.</p>

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<p>I wouldn't study for the writing. As nice as it would be to raise your score in that department, Princeton won't consider it, so what's the point? Focus exclusively on your CR score. I think if you got above a 750 on CR, you would have a good shot. The math score is fine since Princeton will see the 800 on the SAT II.</p>

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<p>Princeton doesn't consider the writing section? Arbiter213, I'm not sure I agree with you. Shoot for the midrange, and remember that half the student body didn't get the midrange (half of those did better, half did worse). The midrange is something like 690-770 or something like that. So if you were to get a 2100 (700/700/700), you would probably be all right. SAT scores aren't the end-all be-all. While important, Princeton doesn't accept students based on perfect SAT's. They accept based on well-rounded meric (including test scores, GPA, and perhaps more importantly, recommendations, EC's, etc.). Personally, I think that your SAT's are all right, even if they're a little below. If you took it once more and studied reasonably, you'll be fine. Don't worry about the math--they'll take the best from each (so just focus on the CR and W--though your writing is not that bad).</p>

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<p>FYI: even past admissions officers have stated that CR is really hard to raise above 750 unless you've been reading for basically your entire life. But who knows? Maybe studying 24/7 will work. Anyways, the mid-50% is 690-770, so a little below 750 shouldn't kill.</p>

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<p>Weasel8488, are you serious about</p>

<p>
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I wouldn't study for the writing. As nice as it would be to raise your score in that department, Princeton won't consider it, so what's the point?

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<p>Could you back that up with a source?</p>

<p>I currently have a 800 M and 800 CR, but my W is 690.</p>

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<p>hah, I once had a 640 W. </p>

<p>Luckily I got it up to a 730. I'm taking it again probably so I can get it a little higher. I'm not sure yet if I need to though, because some people say it counts but other people say it doesn't.</p>

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<p>I wasn't saying he needs to get above the midrange, I was recomending he shoot for it. If you can do it (without putting too much stress on yourself), its certainly beneficial to be in the upper percentiles for the SAT's.</p>

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<p>I don't think my plan is going to work though, because I don't think I'll know my scores for the October test before the ED deadline. </p>

<p>Should I just give up hope, if I can get above a 1500?</p>

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<p>You won't know before the deadline, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't retake them if you're confident. And remember, you definitely can't get in if you don't apply.</p>

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<p>Do you not eat lunch??</p>

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<p>Lunch is a waste of time. I eat a sandwhich during 7th or 8th period, and sometimes, I forget to eat lunch at all.
Since I'm on the Princeton forum, I'm reminded of A Beautiful Mind:
"When's the last time you ate? You know food?"</p>

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<p>Hehe I read that and I thought it was weird too....</p>

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<p>To those who asked for the source of my earlier statement:</p>

<p>During the summer of 2005, I attended a Princeton information session. The admissions officer said that for the coming admissions cycle, they would not consider applicants' writing scores. Furthermore, she said they wouldn't consider the writing section for several more years until there was enough data to understand what the writing score means. I understand that this source is less reliable than a quote of the Princeton website, but I think it is fairly reliable. Also, page 54 of the Princeton viewbook (in electronic form) says that students may submit the old SAT if they are satisfied with their results. If Princeton considered the writing score, they would be unlikely to have this policy.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/ai/PU_ai_0607.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.princeton.edu/pr/admissions/u/ai/PU_ai_0607.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>I attended an information session in July of 2006. They made it quite clear they consider the writing section.</p>

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<p>I stand corrected. Sorry for confusing everyone with dated information.</p>

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<p>Crap, more work for me!</p>

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<p>I too attended a recent info session and agree. Besides, if any school is going to look at the writing, it's princeton. THEY FOUNDED THE SAT!</p>

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<p>Um...they did? The SAT is run by the college board, which has an office in Princeton, NJ, but that doesn't mean it's affiliated with the university. Does it?</p>

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<p>I think they are no longer affiliated, but it was (i think) founded by the university originally.</p>