<p>Anyone have an idea when we will know if we r getting any aid?? Is Clemson generous for out of staters?</p>
<p>Usually in late April, it’s really short notice I know but the financial aid office at Clemson is probably the most incompetent department on campus.</p>
<p>Don’t expect too much help if you are out of state.</p>
<p>Really? I was hoping for a little anyways> I really want to go but can’t pay the sticker price!</p>
<p>well I guess you will have to wait and see. Good luck and I hope you get the aid that you need to attend Clemson! Please don’t borrow a mountain of money though to attend Clemson, it will be a headache after college</p>
<p>yeah that aint gonna happen! thanks for the info> hope it comes sooner than later tho. late april is tough to wait for.</p>
<p>Long story short.</p>
<p>My D LOVES Clemson and has been accepted. The tuition alone is 29k OOS, and 98 % of in-state with her stats are Life or Palmeto scholars, $7,700 or $3,500 in tuition, after getting scholarships off of the already reasonable in state tuition of $12,700. Life scholars (the easier to obtain scholarship) gives $7,500 soph-sr. years for science majors, making the tuition just over $5,000 per year. Compare to OOS $29,000 with no scholarship.</p>
<p>Now I have no problem with in-state getting lower tuition…that is common and makes sense. What is not common is making OOS science majors pay six times or more the tuition of in state students. Life scholars need just 3.0 GPA, top 40%, and 24 ACT. My d just missed OOS scholarship with stats much better than required for a Life scholar because they require OOS students to be top 10% with at least a 28 ACT. Although she met the ACTrequirement and her hs does not rank, Clemson estimated her rank to be top 20% and she did not qualify for OOS academic scholarship. And btw, the average ACT at her hs is higher than nearly all South Carolina high schools.</p>
<p>Very frustrating. We spoke with them and they seem rigid in their OOS scholarship tables, although we hope they will reconsider. We have looked at several OOS schools, and I cannot think of one that places such a high burden on OOS relative to in state. I have a hard time stomaching her attending and paying $29k tuition, while a South Carolina resident with worse stats in her major will be paying just $5k.</p>
<p>Mrpapageorgio, the purpose of public colleges is to educate the residents of their state. You don’t pay taxes to South Carolina which help keep colleges like Clemson running so why should you be entitled to lower tuition rates? I’m sure you have public schools in your own state that do a great job of providing a cheap quality education as well.</p>
<p>I’m sorry but it really annoys me when out of state students complain about the tuition rates at public colleges when they really aren’t entitled to anything.</p>
<p>Did you even read what I wrote? I recognized oos tuition should be higher and that is expected. And they can do what they want. But if they charged in state 10 bucks and oos 100k, your argument would still be the same. My point was that it is excessive to have 1 year oos tuition to be more than 4 years in state. I know of no other school with such a gap.</p>
<p>And the fact that it is even under consideration by us is a compliment to Clemson. but the fact is most schools do not have such a large gap between in state and out of state. In state students at U of I Urbana for example do not pay one sixth of the tuition of oos. Maybe half…that was the point.</p>
<p>and that’s the point, since you’re coming from out of state to use their state resources, they have the right to charge you whatever you want. You should also consider that in-state tuition at Clemson is already among the highest in the Southeast. Since they can’t raise in-state tuition anymore, the difference goes to the out-of-state students.</p>
<p>If you don’t think the money is worth it for Clemson, then don’t send your daughter here. No need to complain and whine about it.</p>
<p>PS: Just some basic math</p>
<p>For Clemson:</p>
<p>In-state tuition: $12,668
Out-Of-State tuition: $28,826</p>
<p>$28,826 / $12,668 = 2.275 NOT 4</p>
<p>For Illinois:</p>
<p>In-State: $14,960
Out-of-State: $29,102</p>
<p>$29,102 / $14,960 = 1.95</p>
<p>Not sure where you are getting these 1/6 and 1/4 numbers from</p>
<p>“I know of no other school with such a gap.”</p>
<p>Just did some research and here are the differences between out of state tuition and in-state tuition for the top 25 public schools in the country: (used US News’ 2010-2011 tuition numbers since that was quicker than looking up each individually)</p>
<p>University Of Minnesota - Twin Cities $5,000
University Of Pittsburgh $9,408
Pennsylvania State University - University Park $12,082
Rutgers University $12,662
University Of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign $14,142
Texas A&M University - College Station $14,430
The Ohio State University $14,895
University Of Wisconsin - Madison $15,750
CLEMSON UNIVERSITY $16,158
University Of Connecticut $16,896
University Of Maryland - College Park $17,371
University Of Washington $17,484
Purdue University - West Lafayette $18,168
Georgia Institute Of Technology $18,210
University Of Georgia $18,210
University Of North Carolina - Chapel Hill $19,826
College Of William & Mary $22,277
University Of Florida $22,277
University Of Texas - Austin $22,712
University Of California - Berkeley $22,878
University Of California - Davis $22,878
University Of California - Irvine $22,878
University Of California - Los Angeles $22,878
University Of California - San Diego $22,878
University Of California - Santa Barbara $22,878
University Of Michigan - Ann Arbor $24,675
University Of Virginia $24,994</p>
<p>I know you’re probably going to come back and say something about how South Carolina has the LIFE and Palmetto scholarships. My reply is that almost every state has something like this. Florida has Bright Futures, Georgia has HOPE, I got a John Adams scholarship in Massachusetts for simply getting above 80% on my state high school exams (here’s the whole list: <a href=“http://www.collegescholarships.org/scholarships/states.htm[/url]”>http://www.collegescholarships.org/scholarships/states.htm</a>)</p>
<p>Apparently this has really set you off. Clemson’s website itself says 98% of its students are Life Scholars or Palmeto Scholars. The life scholar…the lesser if the 2…gets a min of $5,000, and $7500 if in science for the last 3 years. So that $12,500 is really just for show, as 98% pay around 7k if non-science, and 5k if science. A science oos with Life Scholar stats pays 29 k. No matter how you slice it, 98% of Clemson in state students pay less for all 4 years than oos pays for just 1 year.</p>
<p>And btw, Illinois offers no such thing like a life scholarship. There is nothing like that in I’ll, let alone where 98% get their tuition reduced by over 50%. I know U of I, and the vast majority pay full in state tuition, and there is no such thing as 98% paying AT MOST 25% of oos.</p>
<p>well the funding for LIFE and Palmetto Scholarships comes from the South Carolina lottery and I guess they are just raking in the money. I’m sorry that Illinois does not have a college scholarship program. Also, 2% of students are actually paying that full in-state rate and if you do not have a 3.0 GPA, you lose your LIFE/Palmetto Scholarship so I’m willing to bet there’s a decent amount of in-state kids paying that full tag. </p>
<p>South Carolina is among the bottom 10 states in the US in terms of average household income. I’m glad that money is being spent to help send the kids of the state to college. I know a lot of SC residents who would not be able to attend Clemson or any other college were it not for a LIFE or Palmetto Scholarship.</p>
<p>So I showed you the evidence to refute that the in state tuition it 12 k, as 98% pay 7k or less…many MUCH less. </p>
<p>While you are digging out stats, find me a top 25 public school where 98% pay less than half of the in-state tuition. Or such a school where 98% of in state pays less for all 4 years than oos does for just one. If you do, I will be proven wrong, but I’ve never encountered such a difference.</p>
<p>And btw, I’m talking percentage and not actual dollars. In other words, if all in state were free, and oos paid 15k, I’m not talking that the difference is 15 k. I’m talking percentage wise the in state is using oos.</p>
<p>And btw, your “love it or leave it” response is just a way to avoid the issue…a response many resort to when the cannot justify their position. Of course I can order my d to go to a different school. And, unfortunately, it may come down to that. But that has nothing to do with whether other schools have 98% of its students paying less for 4 years than oos does for 1.</p>
<p>Mrpapageorgio, you do not understand the point. Clemson is already generous enough to admit half of their out of state applicants and have 1/3 of its student body out of state. California state universities rarely accept out of state students and I think North Carolina caps out of state enrollment at 15-20%.</p>
<p>What do you not understand about what I’ve said numerous times about how the point of public colleges is to cater to the students of THE STATE IT IS LOCATED IN. Clemson is in South Carolina, not Illinois. Therefore it should devote most of its resources (scholarship money) to providing a cheap and quality education to students who cannot afford to go to $50,000/$60,000 or even $15,000/year schools. As out of state students, most of the time we are just here as an additional revenue source for the university since state funding has been cut. This has nothing to do with how much more out of state students have to pay compared to other states/schools or how much more compared to in-state students; it has everything to do with the tremendous job South Carolina is doing of taking care of its college bound students and realizing that as an out of state student, you are Clemson’s secondary responsibility admissions wise and financially.</p>
<p>Palmetto and LIFE is what the STATE gives to the students as a way to help keep them in the state for college. The point of these scholarships is to make sure the smarter students in SC don’t leave SC, not for OOS to come to SC. Clemson’s main priority is for their in-state students, as they are a public institution.</p>
<p>I have numerous responses, but I can start with this: "South Carolina’s per-student funding for public research universities dropped from $10,600 to $6,600 between 2002 and 2010. Per-student funding at Clemson and USC in 2010, when separated from the $29,000 the state allocated per student for MUSC, was closer to $4,500.</p>
<p>Clemson has responded by doubling tuition over the past decade and launching a $600 million private fundraising campaign."</p>
<p>The short of it is South Carolina is not rich, and The burden has been shifted to oos students. You wanted to justify it as sc taxpayers support it, but $4,500 of support per student is hardly support. The rest is fed aid and oos tuition. So this theory you have that oos somehow take advantage of state taxpayers is wrong. The school relies on oos, in my opinion way moreso than most good public schools, and yes, as an oos parent who has a d who has Clenson as her dream school, I am allowed to get frustrated at the treatment of oos.</p>
<p>And this doesnt even touch on that Illinois residents get $.75 back for each dollar paid in fed taxes, while South Carolina takes in more fed taxes than it pays out. In other words, as an Illinois resident I already indirectly support South Carolina and Clemson. And more they want. It is too bad because Clenson was a gem from what I could tell. That is why my d loves it…just something special about it. But yes, as a patent of an oos student who will either be paying in great excess to have my d go there, or will not be able to pay for her to go there, I am justified in complaining.</p>
<p>And btw, oos students make the university what it is. Their $ keeps the place running, and their presence adds to its prestige. In my opinion, Continuously passing the buck to oos students will eventually affect who goes there and it’s reputation.</p>
<p>Well out of state students are still willing to pay for Clemson so why lower tuition? Again, like I’ve said (and you agree) out of state students are mostly just here as a revenue source for the university. And the fact that you are now talking about federal taxes just shows your desperation to find an excuse to blame Clemson and the state of South Carolina. You feel entitled to similar treatment as a South Carolina resident but life just doesn’t work that way.</p>
<p>PS: That special something about Clemson will stay here even if all the out of state students like myself stop coming and paying.</p>
<p>We agree on that Pierre. (not the part about feeling entitled to be treated as a sc resident though) It really was better than expected. I joked with my wife about it being like that movie Funny Farm with Chevy Chase, when they paid towns people to be nice to prospective buyers of their house. People were that nice, the campus was beautiful, nice balance of fun and academics…I was even impressed with the cafeteria. Great school, and it is the one my d loves. </p>
<p>So nothing against Clemson at all, and even if no scholarship, I still think its great. And the oos people do not make the charm. My only point is that oos people are a needed and welcome bonus that only add to the campus. Unfortunately, my d is just under stat-wise what would have landed her a scholarship, and that is probably the difference between going and not. This is not meant to be a Clemson rant, but it is nonetheless frustrating how close she is to a scholarship, and seeing that so many go there for a mere fraction of what she would be paying even with a 5k scholarship.</p>
<p>Looking to pay $24k after a $5k scholarship when people from SC with worse stats are paying about 5-7k is hardly me looking to be treated as a sc resident.</p>
<p>It’s a great campus and I love it there! (PS: it’s 91 degrees and sunny outside, all of my friends are joking about all the admissions tours on campus and how if you hate Clemson today you really aren’t going to like college anywhere) </p>
<p>I’m really sorry to hear that Clemson was not able to meet your financial needs and I’m sorry about some of the harsh words I may have said earlier. I’m having a rough day today and I needed to vent it somewhere. I definitely understand your frustration and I’m sure I’d feel the same way too if I were in your situation.</p>
<p>Best of luck to you and your daughter at whichever college is lucky enough to have her!</p>