<p>Michelle</a> Malkin The Us Weekly cover you didn’t see</p>
<p>I think this post says it all.</p>
<p>The ivy league is no longer a cushy retreat for rich privileged kids even though their kind can still be found there. What am outdated view of the ivies. For those without connections a la McCain admission to columbia involves yeas of disciplined hard work. And to graduate Columbia and havard with honors as Obama did is not exactly a piece of cake. Studying law may not involve the physical risk of nam but it is hard hard work and I can't believe anyone would look down on Obama's formative years as being easy or privileged. Such anti intellectualism is rare on CC...in fact it's kind of ironical that someone on a college forum would tout brawns and a fifth from last academic record over brains.</p>
<p>Is that so? I have no factual basis for my argument, but anecdotally...</p>
<p>It seems in the past, people like
Will</a> Michelle Obama release her SAT and LSAT scores? - Yahoo! Answers
Power</a> Line: Michelle Obama's gospel of bitterness
Michelle Obama could get in because they were bright, thought not brilliant, and still, black.</p>
<p>Nowadays, you need outstanding SATs, community service, sports, etc. etc. The ivy league has become even more outrageous.
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/education/edlife/princeton.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/education/edlife/princeton.html</a>
And so, of course, the bar has risen much higher where one needs outrageous credentials to even compete.</p>
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<p>Well, there's one we did see -- and it's of the actual VP nominee of the Republican Party, not of someone the party rejected.</p>
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It seems in the past, people like
Will Michelle Obama release her SAT and LSAT scores? - Yahoo! Answers
Power Line: Michelle Obama's gospel of bitterness
Michelle Obama could get in because they were bright, thought not brilliant, and still, black.
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<p>Are you for real? Is this what you've brought it to? Are you going to ask to see Cindy McCain's SAT scores? or Meghan McCain's?</p>
<p>Wait a minute...since we're on this subject, why don't we look at your SAT scores? I am quite sure they'll be lower than Michelle Obama's.</p>
<p>Palin went to the Wasilla public library when she first started as Mayor to begin banning books. Im sure her journalism/communication professors @ UIdaho were very proud at that moment.</p>
<p>Mayor</a> Palin: A Rough Record - TIME
The public library is not a place for all books (porn, criminal assistance)</p>
<p>"he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in
them."</p>
<p>Are you for all books being allowed in public libraries?</p>
<p>pugfug90, "inappropriate language" can be a blanket for everything from violence to neutrality. That she wanted to fire for lack of full support is a disqualification of her viability as a non fascist leader.</p>
<p>The USA is not some Bible ghetto in which one can censor anything on pleases.</p>
<p>Also, if "some voters" have opinions that can override the democratic process, she might as well manage (i) an oligarchy, which is what the Republican Party will make anyway, or (ii) a state where the plurality completely oppresses all other minorities, and for that to be a terrorist Christian state she will need time travel (although Bush was on his way...). Either way the democratic process demands discussion and investigation.</p>
<p>Note that 24 hours ago I thought she was a good leader with whom I disagreed. Now I think she has nothing going for her - like a piece of demagogue trash.</p>
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Yes, insofar as they * can be * useful.</p>
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<p>Fascism is on America's doorstep.</p>
<p>You know, hope and change is great, but we need reality.</p>
<p>There was no reality when Obama has been clamoring to get out of Iraq. Because of people like John McCain, violence has been reduced 90%.</p>
<p>I have little sympathy for the detainees at gitmo or whatever. Their "rights" do not top our security needs.</p>
<p>If you're spooked about her book banning, you should move abroad.
Maybe Britain.
Britain's</a> libel laws are stifling free speech, says UN - Home News, UK - The Independent
NVM. At least here, you can go to different libraries. We have the most liberal free speech system and people are still grasping at ideals.</p>
<p>Get real.</p>
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If you're spooked about her book banning, you should move abroad.
Maybe Britain.
Britain's libel laws are stifling free speech, says UN - Home News, UK - The Independent
NVM. At least here, you can go to different libraries. We have the most liberal free speech system and people are still grasping at ideals.</p>
<p>Get real.
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<p>My state recognizes three official religions with state support.
Yet, apart from obscene language, there is no textual or auditory censorship.</p>
<p>With regard to the US being superlatively good -- yeah right. The United States as it is a shame unto what it was even ten years ago. You don't have that much free speech in practice because of Bush and the proliferation of the Evangelical Mafia, and your laws aren't very human-rights-friendly in practise.</p>
<p>Also, concerning Palin and Libraries, the argument is that she will make the system fascist, not that it already is.</p>
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don't have anything against Ivy-Leaguers per se, I have something against the many of them that turned out to be intellectuals. His book quotes, his speeches come off as oratory. I won't bow down to that kind of language, and I won't try to accept the fact that he's "above his pay grade", as potentially president, on an issue he said he would sign first, and make an issue against Sarah Palin.
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<p>Ah, so you're turned off by impressive rhetoric. Of course, it's an especial contrast, since Bush can't finish a sentence without committing some grave error in English or some dialect of it (given all the words he coins).</p>
<p>That doesn't mean that Obama is somehow unfit to be president.</p>
<p>(No evidence, I see. As expected. :rolleyes:)</p>
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"Dbate, then might I ask, why are you so interested in applying to Yale then? If the prestige, connections and supposedly superior academics it provides play any role at all in your decision to apply, then you are a hypocrite."
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<p>How dare you attack me? I did not say that I did not want to go to an Ivy League school and the reason i want to go is because I have three other brothers (there are four of us) one is in college now, then I go, and the next year my other brother goes. That means my parents will have three kids in college and another in high school. We are not rich (110-120K), if I got into Yale, it would be much cheaper than my state school.
When I was making a list of schools to apply to, one of the main qualifications was to be a school that had good financial aid bc I want to go to Law school and minimize the debt I have to take on. I am sorry that some of us have to make school decisions, not purely based on prestige but financial resources. The schools are:Harvard, Yale, MIT, Penn, Duke, and UT. Do you notice something? The only non-state schools have amazing financial aid that would make it cheaper for my family.
And another thing is that Yale offers a combined BS/MS in chemistry that my state school does not offer.
Some ppl do not want to go to Ivies. Some ppl like me want to bc they are so much cheaper for top students with lower incomes or large families.</p>
<p>So are you saying that the fact that Yale is prestigious and has great connections for future jobs plays no role at all in your decision to want to go there? Yes, I understand that financial aid is a concern (my family makes much less than you do, btw) and your interest in both a BS and MS in chemistry makes Yale appealing, but you're fooling no one if you're trying to insinuate that Yale's prestige and connections don't play the slightest bit in your decision to apply. </p>
<p>The reason I said in my previous post that you were a hypocrite was that you flat out stated that the school you go to doesn't matter at all *"The sats and the schools you attend really do not matter, but ppl on this forum inflate thier importance. The vast majority of CEOs of companies did not come from Ivy League schools and many politicians did not attend one either." *</p>
<p>So unless your motivation to get into Yale is purely based (100%) on your need for financial aid and the ability to get a BS/MS dual degree in Chem, and not the slightest hope that Yale's prestige and connections will take you places, then you are indeed a hypocrite.</p>
<p>^^^Yale's undergrad prestige will take me nowhere. I want to be a lawyer, so my undergrad does not matter. For law school Yale's prestige would do it, but not for undergrad. I would be very happy at my state school (especially since so many of my friends will probably go there). If i wanted prestige why not apply to Stanford or Princeton, simple they do not have a BS/MS, nor does UT. Do not try to speak of my reasons to go to a school, bc when I made my choice of schools to apply to I put prestige aside as the primary motivation. Bc prestige on undergrad does not matter (especially for law), and I would not go to a school just for a "name".</p>
<p>^^ well you were the one who was taking Cervantes' post seriously, when it was obviously sarcastic. ;)</p>