George Bush

<p>Is that all you know how to do is insult, zip? I see you are 17. Are you so certain of your beliefs in life already that you have everything all figured out, or are you just parroting what your parents have told you?</p>

<p>I know you are afraid. That's understandable. This is some really heavy stuff and I don't like it either. I'm not sure what I believe yet (and I'm an adult!), but I do think that asking questions is healthy, and one should not be labeled 'sick' or 'crazy' for asking questions.</p>

<p>Hopefully, when/if you get to college, you will learn that.</p>

<p>actually, I lied about my age. Im not stupid enough to put my real Bday on the web for all to see. I am, in fact, 18, which means I get to vote and protect people from getting into the House and Senate that resemble people like you. And I am in college, thank yer very much. Now, go take your crazy pills.</p>

<p>oh....IM AN ADULT TOO! Im parroting what I know is true. Have you ever even been to nyc? Id love to see you walk down church st and yell that its a conspiracy. Im sure NYPD would love to protect your little protest.</p>

<p>Ah, so I am crazy because I have a different opinion?</p>

<p>There are a lot of NY residents, including many families of the victims, who are part of the truth movement. They want the truth more than anyone else.</p>

<p>yeah, sickies. Ny is home to lots of sickies too!</p>

<p>you didnt even answer me! How did they hoard those explosives into the WTC?</p>

<p>Ah, so now you're calling the families of the victims sickies too?</p>

<p>As far as how the explosives were planted:</p>

<p>The first step that detectives follow in solving a crime is to examine the evidence. The evidence overwhelmingly points to explosives.</p>

<p>The next step is to prove it. That is what the 911 truth movement is all about - they want to launch an independent investigation, not a govt.-sponsored one like NIST and the 911 Commission. We need an independent investigation.</p>

<p>Then, the next step is to question the 'how' and the 'why.'</p>

<p>What we do know is that the security of the twin towers was shut down for an entire day about 2 weeks prior to 911. They said it was to install new internet cable. The usual security was completely shut down. Interestingly, guess who was the head of the security company used? Marvin Bush, brother of GWB.</p>

<p>This is all documented. This is true. Now we need an independent investigation to connect the dots.</p>

<p>id like to connect your face. I know about all the shut downs, but there is no way in hell the amount of explosives needed could have been smuggled in and left there for days. thats likeme not seeing the trees when I walk outside. Now, I have to go to class and then I have to register to vote!</p>

<p>Well then, how do you explain the buildings falling at freefall speed? How could there be ZERO resistance from 110 floors?</p>

<p>looks like there was resistance to me, watch the video,.</p>

<p>This is the most idiotic thing I ever heard. Have you any familiarity with explosives? My distant uncle has been in the business for about 25 years now. To demolish an old shanty near the outskirts of Kharagpur (city in India), they required about two months of preparation and careful planning. When you blow up a building, ** IT FALLS FROM THE TOP DOWN*. Watch the WTC videos. It crumbles * BOTTOM DOWN **. Have you thought the logistics through? To demolish the WTC it would take a good quarter to half years setting up...Lets throw in the fact that the government would have to work past guards, dogs, maintenance, etc. Unless of course, all of NYC was involved in the conspiracy! God, do you people even hear your self talk? This is beyond silly.</p>

<p>
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What we do know is that the security of the twin towers was shut down for an entire day about 2 weeks prior to 911

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Good call. Please consult with any demolition firms and ask them if they can plant enough explosives to take down such a giant structure with two weeks prep time. If you find one, please tell me. Until then ...</p>

<p>Maybe there were Robots.</p>

<p>I don't know. I'm just really hung up on this freefall thing. It makes no sense without controlled demolition.</p>

<p>How do you explain this? Is the following in error? </p>

<p>(from <a href="http://physics911.net/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://physics911.net/&lt;/a> )</p>

<p>"...The beams were falling at the same rate that the towers themselves were descending. Familiar with elementary physics, including principles of conservation of energy and momentum, this seemed quite impossible if the towers were indeed "pancaking," which is the official theory.</p>

<p>The height of the South Tower is 1362 feet. I calculated that from that height, freefall in a vacuum (read, absolutely no resistance on earth) is 9.2 seconds. According to testimony provided to the 9-11 Commission, the tower fell in 10 seconds. Other data shows it took closer to 14 seconds. So the towers fell within 0.8-4.8 seconds of freefall in a vacuum. Just like WTC7, this speed seemed impossible if each of the 110 floors had to fail individually.</p>

<p>As I was considering this, another problem arose. There is a principle in physics called the Law of Conservation of Energy. There is also the Law of Conservation of Momentum. I'll briefly explain how these principles work. Let's assume there are two identical Honda Civics on the freeway. One is sitting in neutral at a standstill (0 mph). The other is coasting at 60 mph. The second Honda slams into the back of the first one. The first Honda will then instantaneously be going much faster than it was, and the second will instantaneously be going much slower than it was.</p>

<p>This is how the principle works in the horizontal direction, and it works the same in the vertical direction, with the added constant force of gravity added to it. Jim Hoffman, a professional scientist published in several peer-reviewed scientific journals, took a long look at all of this. He calculated that even if the structure itself offered no resistance, that is to say, even if the 110 floors of each tower were hovering in mid-air, the "pancake" theory would still have taken a minimum of 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. So, even if the building essentially didn't exist, if it provided no resistance at all to the collapse, just the floors hitting each other and causing each other to decelerate would've taken 15.5 seconds to reach the ground.</p>

<p>But of course the buildings did exist. They had stood for over 30 years. The floors weren't hovering in mid-air. So how did the building provide no resistance?</p>

<p>Yet another observation one makes in watching the collapsing towers is the huge dust clouds and debris, including steel beams, that were thrown hundreds of feet out horizontally from the towers as they fell. If we are to believe the pancake theory, this amount of scattering debris, fine pulverized concrete dust, and sheetrock powder would clearly indicate massive resistance to the vertical collapse. So there is an impossible conflict. You either have a miraculous, historical, instantaneous, catastrophic failure that occurs within a fraction of a second of freefall and that kicks out little dust, or you have a solid, hefty building that remains virtually unaffected after a massive, speeding projectile hits it. You either have a house of cards or a house of bricks. The building either resists its collapse or it doesn't.</p>

<p>And we know the WTC Towers were made of reinforced steel and concrete that would act much more like bricks than cards.</p>

<p>Thus, put simply, the floors could not have been pancaking. The buildings fell too quickly. The floors must all have been falling simultaneously to reach the ground in such a short amount of time. But how? "</p>

<p><a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Here's an explanation of the SIMPLE HIGH-SCHOOL-LEVEL MATH:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.stlouisrams.net/911/freefall.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stlouisrams.net/911/freefall.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>What are you talking about "freefall", it makes no sense. Look at your own video, it is not in this "freefall" that you claim. PLus, you are absolutely no expert in explosives or thermodynamics. I will no longer (and suggest to other readers to stop) reading anymore of your links because all of them are based around radical extremist ideas and implore engineers (if that) that have a special agenda.</p>

<p>I hate to enter into this ... your example above talks about two Hondas and how the energy would transfer ... a big hole in your theory. When the tower first started collapsing there were about 20 floors collapsing onto 1 floor ... this wasn't two Hondas hitting each other this was a 18 wheeler hitting a mini (and guess what the 18 wheeler doesn't really slow down) and that was just at the start of the collapse ... and as the building fell the ratio of deadweight to the floor it hit got even worse; the weight of 100 floors hitting one floor by the bottom. Given the weight falling and the integrity failure of a poorly designed frame the towers were essentiallly freefalling.</p>

<p>Flat Earth!</p>

<p>Thanks, 3togo! Finally, someone actually engaging in DISCUSSION.</p>

<p>OK, that sounds logical. Have you seen the 'official' reconstruction of what supposedly happened? Can you tell me why the model used did not include the inner steel cores? The cons. theorists are saying that the pancake theory did not account for the steel cores - the 'official' model made it seem as though they did not exist.</p>

<p>Also, how could the collapse be so perfectly symmetrical in all 3 cases? (with the buildings collapsing into their footprints.)</p>

<p>And, what could explain the explosions in the basement before the collapse?</p>

<p>Thanks; I appreciate your input.</p>

<p>excerpted from:</p>

<p><a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#analysis%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html#analysis&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"...Previous government reports have minimized, hidden, or denied the existence of the Towers' core columns. The FEMA report contained misleading descriptions and illustrations minimizing and hiding the core columns, and it made no mention of beams connecting the core columns. The 9/11 Commission Report denied their existence entirely, claiming that "the interior core of the [Twin Towers] was a hollow steel shaft, in which the elevators and stairwells were grouped.</p>

<p>NIST continues in the tradition of Core Denial, with a number of misrepresentations, including, apparently, in the computer models that it supposedly used to simulate collapse initiation. Figure 6-9 shows sections of the global model for both the North and the South Towers. Both show the core columns to be thinner than the perimeter columns. But we know that the perimeter columns had outside dimensions of about 13.5 by 14 inches, and that most of the core columns had much larger dimensions. The outer row of core columns in each Tower apparently measured 56 by 22 inches for most of its height. We might forgive NIST for skimping on the dimensions of the core columns at the 100th floor of the North Tower, since the box columns apparently transitioned to smaller H-columns around the 100th floor, but their use of tiny core columns on the 85th floor of the South Tower is clearly in error...</p>

<p>Assuming the premise of the official explanation, the total collapses of the Twin Towers and Building 7 were the largest, most unexpected, and least understood failures of engineered steel structures in the history of the world. NIST's Report, like FEMA's 2002 report, presents the appearance of explaining the collapses of the Twin Towers, but in reality it doesn't explain them at all. Flatly asserting that "global collapse" inevitably follows "collapse initiation," the Report implies that the only issue worthy of study is how the jet impacts and fires led to collapse initiation -- an issue to which it devotes well over one hundred pages. Thus, the Report makes two fundamental claims, the first explicit and the second implicit:</p>

<pre><code>* The impact damage and fires caused the tops of the Towers to lean and then begin to fall (collapse initiation).
* Once initiated, the collapses proceeded to total collapses.
</code></pre>

<p>NIST goes to great lengths to support the first claim, but commits numerous omissions and distortions in the process. It remains quiet about the second claim, except for its vague rehash of the pile-driver theory. This is indefensible, given NIST's charge to investigate the collapses. Accepting that claim requires us to believe:</p>

<pre><code>* That the collapses of WTC 1, 2, and 7 are the only examples of total progressive collapse of steel-framed structures in history.
* That those collapses were gravity-driven despite showing all the common physical features of controlled demolitions. In the cases of the Twin Towers, those features included the following:

  • Radial symmetry: The Towers came straight down, blowing debris symmetricaly in all directions.
  • Rapid descent: The Towers came down just slightly slower than the rate of free-fall in a vacuum.
  • Demolition waves: The Towers were consumed by synchronized rows of confluent explosions.
  • Demolition squibs: The Towers exhibited high-velocity gas ejections well below the descending rubble.
  • Pulverization: The Towers' non-metallic components, such as their concrete floors, were pulverized into fine dust.
  • Totality: The Towers were destroyed totally, their steel skeletons shredded into short pieces, most less than 30 feet long. </code></pre>

<p>All of these features are seen in conventional controlled demolitions. None have ever been observed in steel-framed buildings collapsing for any reason other than controlled demolition.</p>

<p>What are the chances that a phenomenon other than controlled demolition would exhibit all six features never observed elsewhere except in controlled demolitions?</p>

<p>NIST avoids asking this and other questions by implying that they don't exist. It uses the false assertion that partial collapse will inevitably lead to total collapse (couched in the ill-defined terms of "column instability," "global instability," "collapse initiation," and "global collapse") to imply that nothing about the actual collapses is worth considering.</p>

<p>To shield the reader from the evidence of controlled demolition, NIST fills hundreds of pages with amazingly realistic plane crash simulations, tedious details about fire tests and simulations, and long lists of recommendations for improving building safety. It calls its event narrative of each Tower, which starts with the jet impact and ends at the point that "collapse ensued," the "probable collapse sequence," but it is neither probable nor a collapse sequence.</p>

<p>NIST's misleadingly named "probable collapse sequence" is a mirage, masking the explosive reality of the collapses with a cinematic account of the crashes and fires. NIST's theory stops at the moment that the "upper building section began to move downwards," thus avoiding the longer timeline of the truss-failure theory and any overlap with the time span in which the demolition-like features appear. Despite NIST's theory being even more incredible than its predecessors (with spreading "column instability" triggering "global collapse" in an instant) it works better as a mirage because its timelines stop short of the collapses.."</p>

<p>A video analysis of the 'missing core' can be seen at:</p>

<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>fast forward to 10:19</p>

<p>Is this in error?</p>

<p>from:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.stlouisrams.net/911/freefall.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.stlouisrams.net/911/freefall.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>SQUASHING THE PANCAKE THEORY FOREVER</p>

<p>[Begin]
- Two 16 pound bowling balls are dropped from a height of exactly 1300 feet at exactly the same time. The first bowling ball must smash through 110 panes of glass before it hits the ground while the second bowling ball is not obstructed and is in “free fall” all the way to the ground. It will take 9 seconds for the ball falling at “free fall speed” to reach the ground.</p>

<p>Question: (Use common sense) Compared to the first bowling ball that must crash through glass, the bowling ball that is in “free fall” would?
A) Take more time to hit the ground.
B) Take the same time to hit the ground.
C) Take less time to hit the ground.</p>

<p>Answer: "C".</p>

<p>Conclusion:
The first bowling ball would be slowed each time it had to break through 1 of the 110 panes of glass. If it took one half second to break through each pane of glass then it would take a total of 55 seconds just to smash through the glass plus 9 more seconds to reach the ground. 55 + 9 = 64 seconds. Obviously it would take much longer for the first bowling ball to hit the ground because it is not falling at “free fall speed”.</p>

<p>Question:
Given the same 110 panes of glass what could you do to achieve “free fall speed” with the first bowling ball?</p>

<p>Answer:
Each pane of glass would have to be either removed or destroyed. If it were not possible to remove the glass panes then you could use explosives to destroy each pane of glass before the bowling ball made contact with it. Then the bowling ball would be falling at “free fall speed” and it would hit the ground in 9 seconds or "free fall speed"</p>