<p>Dude shut up, how bout put all ur annoying posts in one? U should try it. And Im sorry that u wasted ur time at Cornell.</p>
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Haha, the key word here is FINANCE MAJORS. So yeah I was right, about 1 - 3% of KELLEY gets recruited. </p>
<p>There was a thread posted a while back called "investment banking list of recruiting schools." Look for that thread and read it, you wont find IU practically anywhere... but you will see UIUC on there a lot with the regulars.
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<p>You are so ****ing stupid it's amazing. You think Marketing majors Want Ibanking?</p>
<p>Hell no, they want to do Brand Management, Market Research or Advertising.</p>
<p>There's more to business than Ibanking, dumbass. Sitting there and saying "Well only 3% of all Kelley students get into Ibanking so it must be bad!" is like saying "Well only 1% of UCSD Pre-Med students get into Ibanking so it must be bad!"</p>
<p>BusinessWeek Rankings: IU-Kelley #10, UIUC #22
USNEWS Rankings: IU-Kelley #11, UIUC #12 (Tied with Purdue, Cornell, U-Minn, and U-Wisc)</p>
<p>The only business thing UIUC does real good is accounting:
<a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/premium/business/bizspec01.php%5B/url%5D">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/premium/business/bizspec01.php</a></p>
<p>So have fun.</p>
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The only business thing UIUC does real good is accounting:
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<p>they must be doing something right in order to attract Lazard.</p>
<p>Qwertip must be half retarded or fully retarded. Finance majors are not the only ones who go into investment banking or consulting you reject. Just because 11% of Kelley's finance majors go into investment banking doesn't mean jack. Most of the highest ranked schools dont even offer finance and a huge chunk of their students go into investment banking. </p>
<p>Investment banks and consulting firms just don't recruit UIUC's finance majors, but the business school AND the engineering school as a whole. Typically, the more percentage of the class going into investment banking/consulting etc shows how good the business school is. Kelley belongs to a reject university called IU, which is ranked, like what, 100th nation wide? Get this retarded school out of this forum, it shouldnt even be mentioned when investment banking or consulting is talked about.</p>
<p>Kelley might be ranked high, but their students are retarded and their career services and connections dont even touch other schools. Have fun working at Target when you graduate.</p>
<p>Transvirgin,</p>
<p>Kelley is a Business School. You can bet your ass if someone is interested in Finance they are going to Major in Finance. IU isn't a small liberal arts college where people major in economics because thats the closest they can get to actual finance work.</p>
<p>If you think you are going to have a better shot getting into an Ibank as an Economics major at say U-Texas-Austin than a McCombs student. You have got another thing coming.</p>
<p>Stop ****ing and moaning because your precious UIUC gets pawned by IU-Kelley in every single Business program ranking out there. Take it like a man. Because we all know Hoosier Daddy.</p>
<p>All of the Ivy League (except Wharton and Cornell), Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, etc all do not have Business/Finance. Are they liberal arts colleges? You dont need a business degree at all to go into business, why do you think they recruit at UIUC as a whole (because our students blows IUs students out of the water)? Just admit your school sucks, doesnt matter how good its ranked because everybody knows it sucks. </p>
<p>Like I said, have fun at Target.</p>
<p>iim pretty sure cornell students are generally better than IU students i mean cmon but the business school itself is different compared to IU in general, even students at the school said that when i visited. its a great program and i tink its gud :)</p>
<p>lol transvaal just give up, you have no facts or figures saying that UIUC places more bankers, we are in a business major forum, not overall school forum..once you have some pertinent information to prove your point then please let us know but everyone here who has taken the time do to some research knows kelleys wall street placement, and no one here knows this gigantic number of placement that you bost UIUC has. Keep making fun of target, but we will see where you end up one day, your still in college and your acting like you have the birthright to do any job you want. Get somewhere and then maybe you can talk crap about corporations. You need a reality check, a plausible ranking that says UIUC is better, and some facts to back up the bs that you speak, and until then all you say will be bs.</p>
<p>HAHAHAH my favorite comment is "Just admit your school sucks, doesnt matter how good its ranked because everybody knows it sucks.".....ummm i'm sure rankings are things that decipher whether a school is good or not, I'm pretty sure thats the point, so by this definition and your statement it must mean UIUC sucks even harder, doesnt it?</p>
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All of the Ivy League (except Wharton and Cornell), Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, etc all do not have Business/Finance. Are they liberal arts colleges? You dont need a business degree at all to go into business, why do you think they recruit at UIUC as a whole (because our students blows IUs students out of the water)? Just admit your school sucks, doesnt matter how good its ranked because everybody knows it sucks.
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<p>Sorry, Transvirgin, but UIUC doesn't have the brand strength that those schools do. More than that all those schools have Graduate Schools of Business. So if you do one of those for undergrad you will pretty much be required to "get your ticket punched" later on. Whereas if you do undergraduate business, it's optional.</p>
<p>Face it Transvaal, the only reason you are bashing IU-Kelley is because you are a prestige-whore who got sucked into the Overall USNews Rankings, and now is ****ed that Kelley is reaming your no-name business school. You didn't realize that whats important is the specific program's quality. For instance, the IU - Jacobs School of Music puts more performers at the Met than any other school in the nation including Yale's Graduate School of Music and Juilliard. But you didn't think it through and now you're at UIUC.</p>
<p>Too bad, so sad. Hoosier Daddy?</p>
<p>OK LilQTwertip...</p>
<p>You're saying, that it you do undergraduate business it is "optional" to pursue an MBA? I'm guessing you are still in high school since you don't know much about the business world. Tell any analyst that an MBA is optional for him to become an associate and to advance higher up. The only place that this would be true for is an undergraduate degree from Wharton.</p>
<p>Only reason I'm bashing IU, is because look at the school, it's a party school for people who did mediocre in their high school career. It isnt somewhere for Wall Street bound people. Sure Kelley has a high ranking, does it mean anything? Oh wow Kelley has JPMorgan and Goldman Sacs recruiting there, who doesn't? </p>
<p>Ill make this easy for you. If you are doing business and want to get into investment banking or consulting this is where you go </p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon University (Tepper)
Cornell University
Emory University (Goizuetta)
Georgetown University (McDonough)
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (Sloan)
New York University (Stern)
University of California at Berkeley (Haas)
University of Michigan at Ann Arbor (Ross)
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (Kenan Flagler)
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania (Wharton)
University of Southern California (Marshall)
University of Texas at Austin (McCombs)
University of Virginia (McIntire)
Washington University (Olin)</p>
<p>UIUC is not on here because even I wouldnt consider it a true investment banking recruiting ground, and IU sure the hell isnt one. There are also plenty of other schools that do not offer business to undergraduate students that are recruiting grounds (like Stanford, Duke, Ivys etc).</p>
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You're saying, that it you do undergraduate business it is "optional" to pursue an MBA? I'm guessing you are still in high school since you don't know much about the business world. Tell any analyst that an MBA is optional for him to become an associate and to advance higher up. The only place that this would be true for is an undergraduate degree from Wharton.
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<p>Why do you think Any Ibanking analyst position has a time-limit on the contract? Analysts don't usually end up getting MBAs because they are going to learn something new from it. They end up getting an MBA because Ibanks go through analysts like a fat man goes through toilet paper.</p>
<p>Hell, if they think you're a good analyst they just promote you to associate then and there, instead of firing you. But the grand majority get fired at the end of their contract. Once you're promoted Only the liberal arts kids need to get an MBA, and what they do then is have you get an EMBA because they consider you too valuable to lose for 2 years.</p>
<p>Ibanks don't rehire the analysts they let go at the end of their 2 year contracts just because they went and got an MBA. Ibanks don't rehire, Period. Once they let you go at the end of your 2 year contract you are Never allowed to come back. So the pathetic prestige-whore wannabe's go get an MBA and try again as an associate at a different Ibank. Or they can flee to private equity or a hedge fund. Even then they usually burn out before they hit the ten year mark.</p>
<p>What do you think drove James Cramer of Mad Money, Mad?</p>
<p>Now sit down and shut up because it's clear that you have no clue what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Qwertip....nice one </p>
<p>Transvirgin: give up now....simply put we are arguing about IU vs. GWU and its almost common fact that IU is better for Ibanking than GWU. Now get this in your head. Iu is also better recruited in Investment Banking than UIUC is. UIUC is for people who want to become accountant's and if that's what you want then fine , you win, but no we are talking about Investment Banking, the ****ing cream of the crop and guess what IU-Kelley is top ten in rankings and guess what? Rankings matter. So grow some balls now and transfer to IU if you want to be an investment banker, if not go back inside your dorm room and jack ...... well you know the rest.</p>
<p>Ouch, transvirgin got owned.</p>
<p>heh wheres ucla on tat list!! transvaal :) we need a 3rd party in this thread, somone not for or against IU any takers out there!</p>
<p>hahaha wow transvaal you are done, good job peers, HEY GUYS LETS ALL SUBSCRIBE TO TRANSVAAL's rankings, he knows what hes talking about...HAHAHAHAH</p>
<p>sigh :( im just tryin to be the ref here LOL, well i know someone mentioned that IU's sat scores are low like in the 1100's range and their right but they should also know that the average sat I for incoming freshman into the kelley school is a 1320 :) i didnt count those who get in after freshman year obviously but i know that u have to work hard and do those all nighters to take all the required classes to transfer into kelley by the beginning of sophomore year. so even if some of the students werent smart enough to get in directly, obviously the school makes the students work hard and really try so that they can eventually enter the undergraduate bprogram. its not about how u go in but about how well u r prepared wen u graduate :)</p>
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<p>I think he only posted school's with a business administration degree.</p>
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<p>oops sorry</p>
<p>i ono wut do u guys tink? i chose IU over ucla, i personaly tink i made the right decision for ME (was personal decision :), im sure others would pick ucla or even IU depending on that person) i tink a biz econ. major at ucla and a business major at IU kelley is very comparable and wenever 2 tings are comparable, it all depends on the student and their dedication rather than the school.</p>
<p>I would choose IU. I just feel that it would offer me a better business education. I want to see transvirgin argue with opinions too, its great. He is at a big ten school and should be out partying tonight yet he is in his dorm room jacking.... to college confidential business forum, wishing he had gone to IU and at this moment is trying to finish up his transfer application....lmao</p>