<p>bottom line.. everybody cheats. its just unfortunate that u got caught. i wish u the best of luck. i was suspended once, and i know how it feels man.</p>
<p>CC class? as in correspondence? or what? it is an academi class but it is not related to what i'm purusing in college, it's a language class, level 2, i doubt i'll ever use that language.</p>
<p>wow crichessil, what's happening to u now? when did u get caught? did that affect your college admission? yeah i know that everyone cheats, frankly that was why i didn't think it was that big of a deal, especially i never cheated before, so i thought it was okay for me to cheat since it was an "emergency"</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but I think your screwed.. It really seems harsh that your whole life is gone because you cheated on that one test, but all colleges (even the not-so-selective ones) will want an explanation for the F, and you can't lie because your GC's/Teacher recs, etc. have to corroborate the story. After they find out that you got an F AND you cheated on a final.. I really can't think of a school that will accept you..</p>
<p>I'm sorry if this message is so harsh, but I think you should look into as many 'safety' type schools as possible before you end up without any acceptance letters and have to go to a CC.</p>
<p>Good luck, and tell us how this turns out</p>
<p>By the way - VERY good idea to discuss your options with the GC as previously stated.</p>
<p>btw, collegefear, what are you planning to major in or eventually do?</p>
<p>oh its not on record. as i said, my teacher sorta found out and said i should reconsider being in honors. oh well. i am glad i got out of there. although she had a powerful position in NHS commitee, i wasnt inducted. but i think its worth not getting caught for cheating than getting in NHS, which btw is ********.
so yea i ddint have to tell colleges about that, because no one esle knows about it. but i did have to tell uva that i was suspended for computer violations. AND I FOUND OUT TODAY THAT IT WASNT BIG OF A DEAL!!!! SO I AM HAPPY</p>
<p>Teachers in my school don't do anything for cheating...they just lose respect for the students who partake it in. I once got caught copying homework and had to resubmit it. It was my fault, though, since I didn't even bother to correct the kid's spelling errors, which I thought would slip by my senile economics teacher.</p>
<p>You guys are overreacting.</p>
<p>Cheating is an estabilished part of my test taking now. You just have to do it right, and you won't get caught.</p>
<p>Even if you do get caught, take it with a grain of salt, because in the end</p>
<p>CHEATERS ALWAYS PROSPER</p>
<p>The nice guys always finish last.....</p>
<p>i got caught cheating once in bio honors freshman year. i remember how rediculously horrible i felt. in the end i ended up managing an 85 for the quarter. i do not think that u will get in that much trouble for this because it it just high school. in college, u would have been screwed though so u should be thankful. u are thinking of the worst possible things happening and i did that too. i think your school will have sympathy for you, but not a lot. i would say try talking to the teacher and apologizing and explaining, but dont make excuses. almost everyone has cheated before in their lives.</p>
<p>u will probably be screwed, but on the bright side.. you can sell ur story to 60 Minutes or something and interview for them and talk about how one test ruined all of your life goals, etc..</p>
<p>The notion that "everybody cheats" is a feeble but common...and false...justification.</p>
<p>ha, alot of the top kids in my school cheat, which is why standardized testing should we weighed upon more.</p>
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<p>Last year I had a class where the teacher was nice enough to give us a copy of 5-7 possible essay questions for the midterm and again for the final. The exams were 80 minute essays and both were 46% of the total class grade. The test was held in a huge lecture hall...</p>
<p>You would have been amazed at how many kids had roughly 5 bluebooks in their backpack and seemed to be "writing" on pages that had already been completely used up! Many kids also seemed to be staring off into space or daydreaming. It seemed nobody wanted to be the first to leave, either. Around 50 minutes in--when someone finally turned in their test--it seemed like there was a mass exodus for the door! Odd how they all finished right then...</p>
<p>I wonder what could have been going on.</p>
<p>Grades have never really meant all that much to me, and I don't know if I would have been brazen enough to try anyway. Still, it seems to me as if people are going to fairly new heights in cheating.</p>
<p>"bottom line.. everybody cheats. its just unfortunate that u got caught."</p>
<p>Sure it goes on, we've all seen it happen in our HS's, but to say EVERYONE cheats... I have news for you, NO, some people don't.</p>
<p>And to think that I used to get depressed when I read some of the stats posted here in CC! Atleast I know my grades are legit, and they're totally and absolutely mine.</p>
<p>Good for you, happygolucky, and you have every right to feel proud. Students who feel and act as you do are worthy of respect: thank you for your integrity.</p>
<p>"bottom line.. everybody cheats"</p>
<p>No, only cheaters assume that everybody is as dishonest as they are. The cheaters apparently feel the need to attempt to justify their own appalling lack of ethics.</p>
<p>Few colleges have open admissions for "everybody". Probably the majority of colleges have standards that include not wanting to admit cheaters or maintain them as college students.</p>
<p>I have taught college at tier 2 and tier 3 colleges, and we did not tolerate cheaters. At the least, being caught in cheating meant an automatic "0" on an assignment. However, profs typically penalized a student caught cheating with an "F" for the course. The student also could have been kicked out.</p>
<p>As for the student here who was caught cheating, there's a big chance that the college will withdraw his admission offer once they see his final transcript and ask his guidance counselor and him the reason for the bad grades.</p>
<p>When it comes to those of you who see cheating and do nothing about it, many colleges and schools (including public ones) have honor codes requiring one to report any instance of cheating. If one knew about cheating and didn't report it, one can face the same penalties the cheater faced.</p>
<p>A graduate of S's high school lost a major scholarship and elite college admissions at the end of senior year when the high school realized the student had plagiarized a paper that had been due spring semester. I am fairly sure the student managed to get into a college afterward, but it was a public university that was not that highly ranked.</p>
<p>Collegefear,</p>
<p>I feel very bad for you. I'm sure you've already suffered a good deal of humiliation and anxiety. It sucks being 17. Nonetheless, you are seventeen. If this was an aberation, or even if it wasn't, now is the time to re-think. Be sincere with yourself to begin with. Have a seat and ask yourself what it says about who you are and ask yourself if that is who you think you are. Contemplate this. If cheating does not fit into your idea of yourself, adjust,/repent. Go for a long walk.</p>
<p>If that goes well, write down what you went through. Edit it. Go to your GC and reflectively present how you felt/feel.
If they see that you are sincere, humbly ask for their help in removing this obstacle to your future life. I believe they will want to help you if they believe in your sincerity. I agree that one (very bad) mistake at this point in your life may qualify for forgiveness and compassion.
Ask yourself if you deserve to be forgiven, it you are not sure then you are on the right track.
And, drop the BS about other students having cheated on the same test, why would that make your having cheated morally defensable? Don't rationalize your having cheated. Try to know why it wasn't what a good person would do and then ask yourself if you believe you are an essentially good person. Hopefully, you believe you are and want to be.
The only solution to this is abject humility/sincerity/reflection.</p>
<p>Good luck to you, I hope it works out in your favor. You have alot of life ahead of you, don't wreck it.</p>
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<p>Depends on the school I know 2 students in my daughter's senior class who cheated on their thesis project. Result failed senior thesis, did not graduate, had admissions rescinded.</p>
<p>Cheat at the college level and get caught (especially at school that has an honor code) you will be out the door</p>
<p>"Everyone" does NOT cheat. Justifiying cheating - or any unethical behavior - by saying "everyone" does it is pretty pathetic, in my opinion. </p>
<p>Second, anyone who feels it is necessary, for whatever reason, to cheat needs to give some serious thought as to whether they are really ready for the rigors of college academics. If you can't get through high school without cheating, you probably are not prepared to do college level course work. And, colleges and universities tend to deal with cheating very harshly as Sybbie noted.</p>
<p>Third, if the Original poster's class was in foreign language 2 - as he said- and the schools that he has been accepted to require 2 or more years of a single language, he MUST make up the course somehow. That failing grade will open the door to having his admissions revoked because he will no longer meet requirements. So, it is best to double check with each school has the failing grade will affect his admissions. It does not matter that the class is not in an area he plans to major in, if it is a requirement by the college that you have X number of years of high school credits in this class, you must have them. Period.</p>