<p>thanks, that makes sense</p>
<p>How good do you have to be at a sport to be recruited?
It depends
1. The size of the travelling team
2, How competitve the school is in Division I</p>
<p>I have some interesting Ivy League stat in tennis from <a href="http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/conference.asp?id=16%5B/url%5D">http://www.tennisrecruiting.net/conference.asp?id=16</a></p>
<p>The max # of player on a travelling tennis is 12 but actual # is much smaller.
Ivy League limited the total recruits to be 1.4 times the # of the travelling team. This translate to 16 or 4 recruits/year.</p>
<p>Ivy League is fairly competitive in tennis and usually ranks between 20-80 in division I. </p>
<p>The website above rank the player based on the graduating year. In the last 4 years, most recruits were in top 200. In other words, if you are top 200 among the graduating seniors with SAT around 2000, you wiil most likely be recruited. Most Ivy League schools lose recruits to Harvard, it can be more seletive. You need to be in top 100 for Harvard.</p>
<p>Use this info, one can extrapolate to other sports.</p>
<p>Are you a recruited athelete? You seem to know a lot about it, so I was just wondering</p>
<p>hswrestling07, that is a bummer though about not counting the writing as part of the SAT I. He did well in it, but not so well in the math (800 reading, 800 writing but 690 math). I think he is going to repeat the test. To get into Princeton, every bit helps.</p>
<p>No, I am not. But I know a few Ivy League athletes</p>
<p>Pearfire - you asked. . .</p>
<h2>wait a second... are you saying that a guy with good academic credentials, say, 2250+, 4.0 uw, #1 in class but with modest athletic records, say a 11.2-11.4 on 100 dash would actually stand a chance to be recruited??</h2>
<p>-Last September my S a sprinter was contacted byYale and Dartmouth filled out the form school sent - "we are impressed by your athletic ability, please supply more information"- and track coaches from both schools responded with multiple phone calls. My S's 100 time Jr year was 11.09 ELECTRONIC at a state championship meet. As you know, handheld times are not taken seriously by recruiters. His SAT at that time was 1330/1600 . He was in top 10% of his class and taking AP classes. The Yale coach admitted that S was marginal for recruiting but still invited for a visit. NESCAC schools though were very interested in recruiting. Check out NESCAC track and field page. <a href="http://www.nescac.com/sports/track&field/home.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.nescac.com/sports/track&field/home.htm</a></p>
<p>This is why I'm confused as to why I wasn't ever contacted by any Ivy league schools. I ran a better 100m time than daffy's son my junior year and had the same SAT score (and a good amount of ECs/leadership positions outside track). I got contacted by schools on the same academic tier as the Ivies (Georgetown/Davidson/Rice/Johns Hopkins/other DIIIs) but NO Ivy League schools - even for a visit.</p>
<p>Why I'm telling you this, Pearfire, is because Ivy League admission/recruiting is a crapshoot. I don't know if you have a chance of being recruited with an 11.2h-11.4h, but it will certainly help in the admission if you're even a "recruited walk-on" as the term is now. You won't be at the top of the recruiting list, but the coach will have a spot for you if you are accepted based on your academic abilities. That's most likely the situation as it stands now.</p>
<p>Off topic, but...how good does a distance runner have to be to get recruited at, say, Princeton?
5:00 1600m?
11:00 3000m steeplechase??</p>
<p>Very true. The fact that an Ivy League coach has not contacted you is not a damning indicator that you wouldn't be competitive, as it might be if you aspired to play Division I football or basketball. This is less and less true the more the team in question is compeitive on a national level though.</p>
<p>Keep in mind though, with the exception of football, a coach will not recruit you if he or she feels you cannot be competitive, regardless of your academic credentials. These coaches have very few slots, and they are doubly precious because there is nothing tying athletes to their sport once they have already been admitted. Maybe the concept of a "recruited walk-on" exists at some schools but I've never really seen it. It's certainly not in the spirit of the league. Depends on the relationship between athletics and admissions I guess. One thing to remember about track is that it's a big walk-on sport. The coach will get a list of admitted students who ran track in high school and contact them about joining the team.</p>
<p>Long story short, if you're sure you can't be competitive, you probably won't be recruited, but if you're more ambivalent it's probably worth a shot. If you want to find out what good is in track, the best way to do so is to check meet results and see what the top 1 or 2 participants from that school did. Those are usually the ones who were recruited.</p>
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5:00 1600m?
11:00 3000m steeplechase??
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<p>For a girl, right? That sounds like it'd be enough to get some serious attention, assuming your two mile is around your steeplechase time.</p>
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<p>I think it exists at the Ivies more than anything - those teams are HUGE and filled with a lot of athletes who do NOTHING collegiately. Look through a roster for any Ivy - I can't imagine all those athletes being recruited and/or given any significant money all things considered. The way it works is that you HAVE the academic credentials to get in and don't need a guaranteed slot from the coach, thus freeing up a spot for a less qualified applicant/better athlete.</p>
<p>No, i'm a boy. girls do 2000m steeplechase. Thanks for answering my question in that case...(I suck).</p>
<p>You can ask MomOfWildChild (her son runs the mile at an Ivy) but I think they're looking around 4:1x-4:20 range for recruits in the mile. Steeplechase. . .I have no idea, I want to say around the 9:30ish mark.</p>
<p>I have to slightly disagree Ecliptica. Recruited walk-ons are not really, in my experience, a major factor in the Ivy League. Athletic recruiting is a very deliberate process; even if a prospect is absolutely stellar academically, and stands a very good chance of admission, coaches are expected to list these recruits. If admissions feels they are being slighted relations can get very frosty, and at the end of the day they wield final control over the destiny of recruits. It depends on the school though, as with anything. They do exist in some form. What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that sometimes, at some schools, a coach might tell a prospect to apply but not then add that prospect to his/her list because the prospect's academics are strong enough to warrant stand-alone admission.</p>
<p>Recruited walk-ons are usually MUCH more prominent in D1. Usually, though, the sports are given to prospects who may not be good enough to compete or are redundant. The coach will push (or, in some cases, tell) admissions to admit a student, at which point that student shows up and competes for a scholarship/place on the team at some level. There can be a fair amount of trickey involved. The state of Nebraska has a program where every county awards it's top football player, essentially, a full scholarship to the University of Nebraska. UNL has a notoriously good walk-on squad. Coincidence?</p>
<p>Hm... I've tried to asses my chances based on the results of the various track teams. But for instance, Harvard has pretty bad sprinter who barely run in the 11s, so I don't think you can get valid information from those results. Probably, the kids who run track at Harvard did not get recruited, but simply joined the team when they got admitted regularly?</p>
<p>Harvard finally has a new track coach, after a period when his long-time predecessor let recruiting slip badly. I expect that the picture will change quite a bit in the years ahead.</p>
<p>Pearfire,
As you know,colleges are looking to recruit athletes who will immediately make an impact. For track and field this means at a minimum have demonstrated times that would consistently score points by taking one of the top three places at least at the regional meets. So, compare your stats to ALL athletes from ALL schools competing in particular event at a multi school meet. Whether or not you are a faster sprinter then everyone at Harvard means far less than if your electronic times indicate that you would be in the top three for a particular event in the entire Ivy Leagure Conference.<br>
Many of the ivy league teams allow members of the student body not competitive in the event to join the team compete at some meets. Their times are not a helpful measure to determine who might be recruited.
Your stats are terrific, you are committed to competing and you have decent times. Go for it-- contact the coach and ask if your times meet his recruiting guidelines .</p>
<p>Thank you daffymom, your posts have been very helpful and I'm gonna try my luck and contact a coach. Thx again.</p>
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<p>Honestly, I was just making stuff up. I just don't understand how these teams can be so big if they're giving money to all the athletes (and yes, they do give money, it's just not called "athletic scholarships"). And again, a lot of these athletes do absolutely NOTHING. I think UTEP had 11 guys on their roster this year and damn near won NCAAs. Brown's team is like 4 times as big and I'm not even sure if they had one NCAA qualifier.</p>
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<p>Ivies are DI for track and field. I guess you're talking football and D-IAA, I've been strictly addressing track and field. I think we're on two completely different wavelengths.</p>
<p>Ivies cannot give money to athletes</p>
<p>No, ivies do not give money to athletes. If an athlete is receiving scholarship money it's because he qualified for that amount of financial aid just like everyone else. People love to think there's some conspiracy about athletic scholarships at ivies. There isn't. Sorry.</p>