Girls pick and choose modern and traditional traits...

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<p>I know some of you think I talk about this too much, but here's a good, recent anecdote to go along with some of the things I talk about.</p>

<p>Yesterday, one of my female friends called me all panicky talking about how she got both a flat-tire and her battery died after she accidentally left her lights on. She's smart.</p>

<p>Me being the type of guy I am, I told her to hold on and that I'd be there in a second. So I get up, throw on some clothes, drive to where she is (it wasn't far...maybe twenty minutes), change the tire, gave her a jump, she thanks me, gives me a hug, and she goes on to work. Whatever.</p>

<p>Later on last night she called me and thanked me again for helping her out. I told her no problem. We got to talking for awhile about...nothing, really. Finally, we got on the subject of, like, gender roles. She told me, "guys should learn how to do stuff around the house more." I told her, "yeah, but we handle all the other stuff. Women have got the domestic stuff down pat." She said, "well, women are good for more than house work. We can do almost anything a man can do." I said, "like change your own flat?" and she started laughing and called me a dumbass. She said, "you're just too traditional." I told her, "I'm not that traditional. I just don't think women can be all the way traditional for the sake of being modern...and vice versa. I think women clean better than men, and men fix things better than women. What's wrong with that?" She said, "you're a sexist." I just laughed. Yeah, a sexist who saved your ass from being late to work.</p>

<p>My point in telling that story is I think women do like to pick and choose their modernity. They don't mind being the damsel in distress, but once they're rescued, they wanna be the Wonder Woman of the new millennium. I don't think I'm being unfair in saying girls should pick a side.</p>

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<p>I think most women do pick and choose how they want to express their "equality" or whatever.</p>

<p>From my experiences though, most girls do understand that they're being hypocrites and they know they won't get everything they want. I usually tell them that the door swings both ways. If you want me to be chivalrous, which I have no problem being, then I will be chivalrous. But then you're gonna have to do something that results in me getting the better end of the deal (you know, to even things out).</p>

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<p>But then you're gonna have to do something that results in me getting the better end of the deal (you know, to even things out)."</p>

<p>LOL ***? guys are creeps (no prejudice intended)</p>

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<p>"guys are creeps (no prejudice intended)"</p>

<p>huh? it's called "give and take". If I do something for you, like pay for your dinner, I should get something (it doesn't matter what it is) in return for being kind and courteous to you. That's what equality is.</p>

<p>Obviously, since you called me a creep, you jumped to the conclusion that I was talking about sex. Try not to make assumptions next time.</p>

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<p>Totally depends on the girl. Hey, some men clean better than women and some women can fix things better then men! </p>

<p>rs, you're right that there is a certain level of hypocracy in our society today. that might change one day, or maybe not. there's hypocracy in everything though; gender roles, racism, etc etc etc. It's here and is only exposed when "something happens" and even than, people don't get it unless they really look into deeply.</p>

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<p>Way to generalize about half the world's population.</p>

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<p>Generalize?</p>

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<p>Jaso9n2--I'm not trying to be unkind or cause a problem by asking this, so please take it as kindly as you can. Why is it that you seem so intrigued by gender roles and gender differences? I'm just wondering as it seems like you make posts concerning these issues on occasion.</p>

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<p>Yeah jeez, just because your female friend is a dumbass who can't change her own tire or hold her own in an argument doesn't mean the rest of us are like her. I can cook a meal and change a tire.</p>

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Jaso9n2--I'm not trying to be unkind or cause a problem by asking this, so please take it as kindly as you can. Why is it that you seem so intrigued by gender roles and gender differences? I'm just wondering as it seems like you make posts concerning these issues on occasion.

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<p>MJ wannabe, eh?</p>

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<p>LOL I must be stupid because I'm confused as to what you mean cwatson.</p>

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<p>Micheal Jackson</p>

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Generalize?

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Yes. Generalize. A generelization is observing the way a certain segment of a culture, race, religion, or gender acts, and then judging the entirety of that culture, race, religion, or gender by the actions of the segment observed.</p>

<p>So, by definition, your conclusion about women based on the behavior of your friend was a generalization.</p>

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<p>It's more than a generalization. Most women would be assed out if they had to change a flat, take the battery out of their car to get it jump-started, when the starter goes, take it out and put a new one in...</p>

<p>Or cut the grass in the front of the house and back. Or edge. Or lug boxes upon boxes to and from their place if they're moving. </p>

<p>You get the point.</p>

<p>My point is women can say, "I'm not your cook. I'm not your maid. I'm not your concubine" and we as a society are OK with that. But then, they expect one of the men they know to bail them out if they have a problem. </p>

<p>Kjanebarnum, it just bothers me how some of these things go unnoticed. I'm not a misogynist -- I don't hate women in the least -- but I just think, in terms of gender politics, men get the short end of the stick. We do just as much, work just as hard, get our hands just as dirty...yet we still get labeled and chastised for who we are. It's all kinds of wrong to label or generalize women for anything (see: bazcat89's post); with men, it's the standard.</p>

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<p>Well no. It would be equally wrong if I told a story about a male friend who was living off take-out and called me in his desperation to get a home cooked meal. From that story I could say "Oh, men think they're so macho but they can't even cook for themselves." Thats just as bad a generalization.</p>

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<p>Not the same thing. If you could say that for every "male friend" you have, okay fine. Maybe there's some truth to it.</p>

<p>What I'm saying isn't just true of that friend. It's true of basically ever woman I know.</p>

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<p>Dude just starts up these gender battles cause he ain't getting no play. Man up a bit, bra. Then maybe your female friends may see you as a man instead of an insecure little boy happy to help a sista out with ulterior motives.</p>

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<p>You're right. I'm not getting any play. I don't mind it, though. I don't quite know why you'd say I had ulterior motives. I helped out a friend. I wasn't expecting her to hook up with me over it.</p>

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<p>i am a female and I know how to change a tire, theoritically, but I have called my H, to change it for me</p>

<p>Why not, I am not strong, and to be honest, he can do it faster and safer than I can</p>

<p>That is not saying women can't change tires, of course they can, but there is also something to be said for asking for help and allowing someone to help you</p>

<p>I have left my lights on, and gee, it takes another car to get the battery started</p>

<p>The OP needs to learn a little about women, because if he doesn't get a clue about manners and chivalry, he will be alone</p>