<p>uh because it's true? I read somewhere that over 50% of Koreans get plastic surgery, even the men get it. I'm not Korean, but I am half-Asian and it seems like Asians in general think Korea is like this as well.</p>
<p>well, as someone who is very familiar with the korean culture let me tell you that hardly anyone promotes or even endorses plastic surgery in the korean culture. they even post pictures of celebrities who they think had plastic surgery on forums and show before and after pictures and ponder on whether or not they had it. people generally look down on celebrities who had plastic surgery, but you wouldnt know that because you dont go on such forums. </p>
<p>and 50%? are you kidding me? that is the most ridiculous thing ever. get your facts straight. and the subject of you being half asian have no relevance in whether or not koreans love plastic surgery. oh and im sure you know all asians.</p>
<p>neither korea nor japan promotes it. why dont we talk about thailand then? thailand is HUGE on plastic surgery and sex change. china? or brazil? or even usa? have you seen all the FAKE BOOBS? what about europe? young adults go on and plan plastic surgery trips. again dont generalize and talk about subjects in which you dont have any idea about. thanks</p>
<p>Well whatever, read this article
Twitch</a> - Half of Korean Women Have Undergone Plastic Surgery</p>
<p>The article I originally read said men got their eyelids done as well.</p>
<p>Get over it. Korea is plastic-surgery crazy.</p>
<p>As for Japan...high rates as well. I think Thailand's rates are still lower than Korea's.</p>
<p>China? What are you on about? Brazil? USA? USA's rates aren't nearly as high as Korea's.</p>
<p>In general non-Korean Asians know of Korea's love affair with cosmetic surgery. The statistics don't lie. I don't see how that's offensive. It's just the truth.</p>
<p>wow an article from a website where they sell and review films. why would i believe them? and read it carefully. no where does it in the article say half of all korean women got plastic surgery. read the original article. its still a newspaper article, they are not facts, just speculations with dramatizations.</p>
<p>Wanting to have something and getting it done are different things.
and im sure korea is the plastic surgery crazed country. have you heard of nip tuck? i think you just hate koreans.</p>
<p>Here's another article, from the BBC: </p>
<p>BBC</a> NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | The price of beauty in South Korea</p>
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By conservative estimates, 50% of South Korean women in their 20s have had some form of cosmetic surgery.
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<p>yea, a link on the review website's comments. the guy is unreliable. he doesnt cite one source, and his views on this matter are opinions, not facts. not to mention that his speculations are made up as an outsider.
"ul-jjang, literally 'best face'". does not literally mean best face. they are two slang words put up together.</p>
<p>whatever i dont even care anymore. believe what you want.</p>
<p>I know asians that have gotten blepharoplasty. According to them, they aren't trying to look white; they just think that it looks better and for functional reasons. Blacks and arabs also lack the epicanthic fold, so why say that they are trying to look white?</p>
<p>That's like saying that any person that dyes their hair jet black is trying to look asian.</p>
<p>what's wrong about plastic surgery, especially when many people argue that shallowness is not a bad thing, and that men should just live with the fact that women like taller guys better? to me, it seems that if we have to accept that people judge based on appearance (and that there is nothing wrong with it), then there is nothing wrong with changing one's appearance. i wouldn't do it...but that is because i think it is shallow and wrong when ppl. judge others on facets of their appearance that they cannot control (height, facial structure). many people on this forum don't think that it is wron gto judge ppl. based on these characteristics, but oddly enough, those ppl. are arguing against plastic surgery.</p>
<p>also, berkeleysenior, i find it weird that you can generalize how "asians" act but don't want us to generalize how girls act. i also find it odd that men are typically seen as more "shallow" than girls, whereas, based on this thread, girls nearly always judge men based on something that they cannot control, whereas men judge girls on characteristics that they CAN generally control (weight, taking care of your face with make-up, using perfume, etc).</p>
<p>as for physical ugliness...both sexes judge this, guys more than girls though. but also notice that this can be corrected more easily than height (again, plastic surgery!)</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with plastic surgery. You only live once and you shouldn't let some stupid stigma prevent you from changing/fixing something that you think will improve your life.</p>
<p>How Asians act? I said Koreans and the Japanese have high plastic surgery statistics, which is factual. I disagree with plastic surgery because of the social factors behind it. Now is not the time to discuss these social factors. </p>
<p>By the way, this thread isn't necessarily representative of men and women in the real world. In my experience men are generally more shallow than women. I derived this from RL and this is purely anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt.</p>
<p>5'10". I'm 5'4".</p>
<p>BerkeleySenior, you're right that you were only talking about Koreans and Japanese, based on facts. but two things...first, correlation is not causation, so we don't know why they are getting more plastic surgery than other groups. it could be that there has been a boom in income in those areas, and luxury goods such as these have just become popular, resulting in more experimentation. it could also be that the area caters more to industries in which performance could be enhanced by better appearance. it is dangerous to just cite the statistics that 50% of women in their 20's have had surgery as showing that that is a part of their culture...just as it is wrong to show that the lower wages for women (if the stat is correct) is indicative of a woman's incapability to earn (clearly wrong).</p>
<p>as for the shallowness point...i don't see how your arbitrary experience shows that men are more shallow than woman. shouldn't the responses on these threads factor into your "experience," where women want tall men? what i said wasn't based on any more experience than what was written in this thread.</p>
<p>as for the social factors, please write about it in the future because i'm actually curious what you think about this.</p>
<p>^^ i meant one thing, not two :)</p>
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BerkeleySenior, you're right that you were only talking about Koreans and Japanese, based on facts. but two things...first, correlation is not causation, so we don't know why they are getting more plastic surgery than other groups. it could be that there has been a boom in income in those areas, and luxury goods such as these have just become popular, resulting in more experimentation. it could also be that the area caters more to industries in which performance could be enhanced by better appearance. it is dangerous to just cite the statistics that 50% of women in their 20's have had surgery as showing that that is a part of their culture...just as it is wrong to show that the lower wages for women (if the stat is correct) is indicative of a woman's incapability to earn (clearly wrong).
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<p>First, wealthier nations like the Scandinavian countries have very low rates of cosmetic surgery. What makes other nations different? Cultural explanations obviously. While there may have been an economic boom in Korea, this doesn't explain why people invest in these particular luxury goods. Second, having areas that "cater" industries in which appearance plays a huge role is cultural in nature. Unless the industries are modeling/entertainment related, why do they emphasize looks? Both of the points you make are cultural in nature. The specific analogy you draw is inappropriate in this context. I will say that the fact that women have less earning potential than men while controlling for education/experience can be explained by culture.</p>
<p>As for the social factors regarding plastic surgery, maybe later...I disagree with it, but that's all I'm going to say for now.</p>
<p>Just to point something out, the reason why the rate of plastic surgery is higher is because surgery/healthcare is cheap in Korea. Any labour in Korea is cheap. Many Americans and Japanese people fly to Korea to get major surgery done because something that would cost 45000 USD would only cost them 20000 USD or even lower. I don't deny that Korea may have a higher rate than others but that can be probably related to the cheapness of such surgeries. And to claim that Koreans and Japanese people are crazed by plastic surgery and the entire culture is brainwashed is unfounded.</p>
<p>KindlyCuddly, i have a 2 questions for you...</p>
<p>1.) is 5'8'' short for a guy? (according to you, not statistics)</p>
<p>2.) how tall are you?</p>
<p>-be honest</p>
<p>True, that cos,etic surgery is rare in Scandanavian countries but then again people are a lot less shallow in those countries.</p>
<p>Or people in those countries are just alot more naturally pretty and don't need it... seriously, Scandinavians? really hot.</p>
<p>meh... scandinavians aren't anything special.</p>
<p>Might have something to do with the socialism over there. You have more rich people (people with money to spend on things like plastic surgery) in places like the USA since they aren't taxed so much.</p>
<p>I pretty much will date someone of any height, though being 5'1"ish, I've never dated a guy shorter than me, just for not having known one. My four boyfriends have been about 5'6", 6'4", 6'1", and my current boyfriend is about 6' even. </p>
<p>It's all good. :)</p>