Good plan for the next ten years?

<p>Hi, guys. I'm at Tulane as a freshman, but I'm planning on transferring to USC for film. I've never considered law school before, but a few good professors have influenced me in my short time there. But I still want to do film. I haven't done too much research, but I'm reading up on here and I found a few books (bargain bin ones called How to Get into the Top JD Programs, and How to Get into the Top MBA Programs). </p>

<p>So my plan was: transfer, get undergrad degree in film, and do one of the following afterwards:</p>

<p>1) teach for a year or two in an urban environment
2) join the Peace Corps
3) join a documentary film crew or make my own
4) something productive</p>

<p>Get a JDA/MBA from a good school.</p>

<p>Then after that, get a PhD in film studies from USC.</p>

<p>Become 30 years old, really kick start career, get married, start family, be happy, etc.</p>

<p>Does this make sense? This is of course very general and I have so much time to change it (or do I?) but I would like a "defined" end result...</p>

<p>Why would you get a law/med degree without going into the legal profession? That's pretty pointless man.</p>

<p>Well, you sure won't be 30 when you get done. Peace Corps is two years, law school/mba program is four years and a phd in film will probably take you six or more years.</p>

<p>What is the point of getting a JD/MBA/PhD if your not going to use it for that specific career field? You need to figure out what you want to do. That will be a big waste of time and money. You must expect to be poor until your about 45 years old.</p>

<p>Like veryspoiledgirl said, you should only go to law school if you want a career in that field. It's incredibly expensive and already too much when you add on all that other stuff you want to do. Plus, many schools wont admit people who want a JD just for fun or for a non-legal career job application edge. They only want to admit future lawyers/attorneys/judges/leaders, not some film professor whos JD will have no impact on his life.</p>

<p>At the end of undergrad, I'm 22. PC, and I'm 24. Then law school, 28. The PhD isn't really necessary, but film is my passion.</p>

<p>Okay, I might be underestimating the time lawyering or directing or whatever takes, but why not be an Oscar winning lawyer? I would imagine, if anything, holding a JDMBA would be a little different and actually somewhat beneficial to starting a production company, making contracts, doing other stuff, ya know?</p>

<p>An Oscar winning lawyer eh? Study: Many Teens Overconfident, Have 'Wildly' Unrealistic Expectations U.S</a>. Teens Brimming With Self-Esteem - washingtonpost.com</p>

<p>And there's no way that I wouldn't be a lawyer. If I put all the work into it, I'm going to use it!</p>

<p>Blah, blah. "Oscar winning lawyer" was faster to type than "hippie in a courtroom who makes funny, semi-viral videos/indie cult films on the side." Lots of lawyers have a random PhD (though its sometimes in conjunction with their JD).</p>

<p>I don't see this timeline as difficult at all. Not traditional, but doable and it'll make me happy.</p>

<p>you're so niave.</p>

<p>"Lots of lawyers have a random PhD (though its sometimes in conjunction with their JD)"</p>

<p>Really?</p>

<p>What, no MD? Why not throw that in the mix as well?</p>

<p>I ran the numbers on your plan, using current rates. If you go to a top law/business school, you will pay $160,000 for tuition and (let's estimate--it could be more or less based on your standard of living and where you live) $80,000 for living expenses. If you get a high-paying job for two of those summers, you could (optimistically) pay off $50,000 of the loans, so your total debt load, assuming nothing from undergrad, is $190,000. </p>

<p>If you defer your loans for 5 years for a PhD, they continue to accrue interest. Let's assume 6%, compounding annually (I actually don't know how often it compounds--I know it happens upon graduation from law school). So now you owe about $255,000. On the standard repayment plan (10 years), that's $2831 a month. You could do it in 20 years, thus lowering the monthly payment to about $1800, but you'll be paying it off until your mid-50s and you'll pay an extra NINETY-TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS in interest. So let's go with 10 years.</p>

<p>So you join a big fancy law firm (which won't give you lots of time for film-making, and who may not be interested in you because you're older than your peers and don't have experience they see as valuable, and are concerned you won't stay there long--I've experienced all these concerns as a dual-degree law student). It pays $160,000 a year. After taxes, that's about $9,000 a month. After your loans, you have $6200 a month to play with. You live in a big city (because that's where the high-paying firms are, and when you're working 80-hour weeks you don't want a long commute). Since you'll be married and want to start a family, let's assume you have a 2-bedroom apartment and are the sole breadwinner (because the loss of your spouse's salary would be offset by no daycare). That'll run you about $2500-$3000 a month in rent (you're not buying...that would be even more, and who knows if you'd even get a mortgage these days?). Now you have about $3500 to play with. Not bad, but expenses add up fast: food, clothes, baby toys, diapers, medical/renters/life insurance, transportation, equipment for your filmmaking, vacation (seriously, your spouse is going to divorce you unless you take a break from work and help with the kids sometimes), etc. Definitely no private school, and probably no savings for retirement or your kids' college. And if your spouse is also paying off loans, the numbers aren't going to work.</p>

<p>So is it doable? Yes. Would it be fun? Probably not. You're going to be have to be a big-firm lawyer to pay the debt (a hard job to get, and hard to balance with a family and hobbies, and a job that prizes conformity--not a lot of "hippies" at the big firms). With such high loan repayments, it would be nearly impossible to step away from steady employment and start a production company--especially since that wouldn't qualify you for most loan repayment assistance programs.</p>

<p>But maybe you have a rich uncle or something who's bankrolling you, or something, and all these numbers don't mean much at all.</p>

<p>If your passion is in film, don't you think you should give it a chance. You can always go to law school as long as you keep up your grades. It can serve as a back up plan.</p>

<p>I really don't see much weight in opinions from people with the screennames "veryspoiledgirl" or "urmomgoes2college," or someone who can't even spell "naive." I expected this place to be supportive and suggesting. stacy's post gives me a reasonable perspective. The others basically say nothing of interest.</p>

<p>Thanks Columbia_Student.</p>

<p>Right now, I'm taking it a year a time and have the luxury of not paying any tuition at all. I kinda expect some help from scholarships and such, but I really need to do more research. Again, this is a rough outline of what I'm planning to do.</p>

<p>Well, what was the point of asking for anyone's opinion if you are going to do it anyway? We are being supportive and suggestive. Too bad you don't like the truth. It's a big waste of time and money if you're not going to use it. Now if you were already a lawyer with a MBA and wanted to become a professor as a career changer then maybe it would be fine. But you're saying you want all these just because. You need a serious reality check.</p>

<p>I want to start a production company. Talking with law and business professors, they've said I should look into intellectual property law because it ties into film. And I realize there's a FAQ on it here.</p>

<p>I don't want to do everything, but a JD program is a possibility that has many benefits.</p>

<p>Just saying, "Too expensive, too time consuming, it's useless" isn't helpful at all.</p>

<p>Well, you never said you wanted to start a production company. Maybe if you had said that in the beginning we could have given you more constructive feedback.</p>

<p>I still think it's a waste of time. When will you have time to even start a production company if you're going to be in school for the next 10+ years? That's why people get paid to be a lawyer. You don't need a PhD in film to start a production company either. You could start right now without a college education.</p>

<p>I think you should get a job preferably film related and start saving your money to start your own production company. Getting a job in the film industry will also help you to make contacts for later on in life when you do start your company.</p>

<p>Like stacy said, if you get a JD/MBA/PhD you'll never start a production company with all debt you're going to have (unless you become a big time lawyer/banker/professor). All I can say is it's your choice and good luck.</p>

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<p>Well, if your goal is to start a production company, it's not going to benefit you very much. Racking up a bunch of expensive credentials isn't going to help you start a successful production company. Experience and contacts in the industry are almost certainly a lot more important than a JD. I don't see the point in spending so much money and time on something that does so little to help you do what you're hoping to.</p>

<p>TrojanTransfer?, you have to understand that your plan is much too idealistic. It all sounds great on paper as a freshman in college, but let's face it. A JD, MBA, and PhD? That to me shows a considerable lack of decisiveness and is really just a grandiose delusion. What is the point of getting a JD if you don't want to go into the legal profession? Law school will burn a significant hole in your pocket, and you won't even get anything pragmatic out of it.</p>

<p>I'm not trying to undermine you at all, but I think you should take a step back and start enjoying college more instead of trying to concoct a plan for the rest of your life. Start with focusing on your transfer application to USC, then focus on your grades and your social life at USC, then focus on the possibility of a PhD or participating Teach for America or a similar program. Do you get what I'm saying? Take it slow, take it easy. Good luck!</p>

<p>I've said it a few times that if I get the degree, I'm using it! Law school is expensive for EVERYONE. I want to keep my options open and the PhD isn't of the utmost importance (you don't need one to make movies) but I think it's more of a personal preference for enlightenment.</p>

<p>I actually visited my law library, and printed out some film copyright law stuff ,and it's really interesting. That specific topic won't keep my interest for years, but it's a launching pad to look into other stuff both film and law related.</p>

<p>And thanks for the encouragement.</p>