<p>Yeah you really shouldn't. The discipline isn't innate. Our parents force it on us. Half of us pick up a very strong slacker/procrastinator habit. We learn to get by on our smarts rather than hard work, with the least effort necessary.</p>
<p>My parents are pretty open-minded about colleges that aren't the traditional Ivies (Williams, Duke, Wash U, etc.). They don't look down on schools just because they haven't heard of them before, and they don't admire schools just because they are in US News. But it is annoying because they get their own ideas about which colleges are good for me, and they force me to apply to them even if I've already taken an honest look at them and hated them. They are forcing me to apply to a couple schools that I really dislike, so I know that if I get in they will be able to pressure me into going. I hate that! They pay for my applications, which is nice, but I am NOT going to be pressured into going anywhere.</p>
<p>That's the way to go. Or you could go the U.S. route of over-scheduling - when you're running on 4 hours of sleep a night, finding the quickest and most efficient ways to get stuff done is a snap.</p>
<p>****, now being in college, ive realized how pointless a college degree really is besides assuring your employer that you have the smarts. in college you basically learn everything by yourself and the professors teach you a bunch of worthless crap that they say is necessary in everyday life. i mean do we really need to know the boiling point of water? hell no, i see the water is boiling, i say, "oh the water is boiling. its time to turn off the heat" i dont put in a thermometer at 98 degrees and say, "oh, water is going to boil in 2 degrees, i better turn the heat down." its really stupid. and my school requires all engineering students to take a programming course. i know the benefits of the logic aquired from programming, but there are other ways to study logic. do most engineers need programming skills and c++? no. who the hell would want to waste several hours typing on the computer when they dont have to. going to college for 4 years is really a waste a time and there really is much of a difference in going to a community college and going to harvard because it all comes down to if you are willing to accomplsh the goals you'd set for yourself.</p>
<p>I agree with asayedahmad08, asians are smart/more accomplished because they have more dicipline than american students and you cant argue with that. Statistics dont lie.</p>
<p>Hello, I'm Asian, and let me tell you, we don't have it any easier than you guys. We don't have "built in" discipline, so don't use that as an excuse for your laziness, and don't try to discount our accomplishments by saying we're just naturally more disciplined--Nature did NOT give us a break. Sorry, it doesn't work that way--we have to work just as hard as non-Asians but the difference is our parents push us more. Some of us develop discipline that way, and most of us just learn to shut up and do the work.</p>
<p>I didnt say you have 'built-in' or 'natural dicipline' I'm just saying that your parents and culture raise you differently and thats why asians in general are smart.</p>
<p>MallomarCookie - sorry, I write the way I speak: as in my facial expression would have definitely indicated to you that I was being sarcastic. I'm afraid that speech doesn't translate well to text.</p>
<p>basically they just brought us here and forced us to see what white people do. naturally, we get grossed out and become disciplined just like that.</p>
<p>Answer to Yoda08
Rebel? What a joke. My mom burst into tears and a two hour lecture whenever I even ignore her... and then its all this crap about how I'm a failure in life and should never have been born... she should have aborted me blahblah blah... and then I'm compared to them..."Both me and your dad were valedictorians in college".... and then they go into a rant about how the only worthy college in the effing universe is HArvard... I'm a disgrace to the family name, and all that good stuff. <em>SigH</em> the only thing is that the whole tirad really wears me out after seventeen years</p>
<p>yoda08- Asian parents believe in physical punishment as well at an early age. =_= yeah. (in most asian schools, teachers are allowed to give physical punishments to their students) I had to be in a push up position for like an hour or two when i was really young... i'm guessing that's what developed my unusually strong arm muscles. Cough.</p>
<p>My parents leave me alone about my grades though. Like i said, they gave up when i was a freshman in high school because i had few B's. After that, they got used to it and was like "Whatever"</p>
<p>Actually there was this one after school tutoring school (just more school after one after another) there was this one incident where this one tutor actaully BROKE the student's leg (he was like 18 though) while beating with a stick (i presume) him for not studying.(of course the guy who beat him that bad got fired but) it's usually not this bad but you see they are allowed to beat them to a certain point or make them be in a position (like holding your hands up for a certain amount of time.. it gets very painful)</p>
<p>and in the asian culture you're expected to follow your parent's orders 100 percent. of course alot of kids don't listen to their parents 100 percent but their influence is MUCH stronger than that of a normal american parent. Alot of american parents just kind of expect their kids to take care of themselves when they turn 18 (i mean they still give them money for college and stuff but..) and want them out of the house, but asian parents will ALWAYS be there inflencing you...</p>
<p>One reason is the kids don't usually move out until they get married (or if the eldest son, never) because houses/apartments cost alot in asia....and of course it's just the tradition and what they are used to.</p>
<p>I was 17 at the time when my parents sent me to Cambodia/vietnam without my consent WHATSOEVER for a mission trip. They never asked me, they just signed me up. I strongly STRONGLY fought it but they already paid for it so i was forced to go.</p>
<p>You can rebel but you'll prob end up losing (my dad's usually like "GET OUT OF THE HOUSE THEN!" which i am because i'm in college.. but during summer and tuff) because they have the money.. even if you have your own money. LOL. And my mother attacks me with stuff that's around the house (like a shoe or a clothes hanger for example) when it gets really bad. Haha. It usually doesn't hurt that much but it's not that pleasant when somebody beats you with a shoe (alot of my asian friends actually had a mom like this though ahahaha we were comparing what our mothers hit us with "did you get hit with a shoe too??" "HAHAA") yeah pretty twisted</p>
<p>^ they usually don't compare you with themselves, but MUCH more with your friends or their friend's children "Like i heard <em>insertnamehere</em> got all A's and got 2400 on his SATs why can't u!"</p>
<p>I'm Asian, and my parents aren't forcing me to go to an Ivy League college. In fact the expectations I set for myself are sometimes higher than those of my parents. So all you asian people, it's not about what your parents want you to, it's about the life you want to create for yourself. You are not living your life just to please your parents. It's so important to find your inner motivation.</p>
<p>^then you are totally missing the point. They WANT to do what they like but their parents (who have the money btw to send you to college) want them to goto Ivy league and become a doctor or a lawyer or something. They'll most likely do what they like in the end though, i would think.</p>
<p>My parents are like your parents though. they don't force me to goto an ivy league because they most likely don't expect me to get in in the first place, hahaha. They already know what my future job is going to be and supports my goal. XD nice to have not as forceful asian parents.</p>
<p>BTW your asian parents usually are much worse if they themselves grew up in asia and aren't 2nd or 3rd generation...</p>
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I'm Asian, and my parents aren't forcing me to go to an Ivy League college. In fact the expectations I set for myself are sometimes higher than those of my parents. So all you asian people, it's not about what your parents want you to, it's about the life you want to create for yourself. You are not living your life just to please your parents. It's so important to find your inner motivation.
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<p>WE know that, of course, but our parents are ALWAYS on our backs.</p>