Graphic design in universities?

<p>Hi. I'm currently a junior in a small college prep school in CA. I'm really enthralled with graphic design and am almost positive it's what I want to do with the rest of my life. Keyword: almost. So I'm looking into colleges that have good graphic design programs, but aren't just art institutes. </p>

<p>What are the best schools with good art programs? I've got CMU, NC State, BU, UMichigan, Ohio State, Washington U, U of Cincinnati. (any opinions about their programs are great as well!)
Does anyone know anything about the programs at the Cal Polys, Chapman, Northeastern, Suffolk, Syracuse, or SUNY Purchase? (Sorry there are so many! I'm keeping my options open. If you have comments on any single one, I'd love to hear them!)</p>

<p>I especially love Boston. And I'd prefer to stay on a coast.</p>

<p>Also. Purdue has a intriguing way of going about admission - you don't need a portfolio until your sophomore year, and you put it forth for admission to the higher level program. Does anyone else know of any other schools like this? I can't expect my portfolio to be amazing, so this might be a nice break. Indiana just isn't for me.</p>

<p>Thank you!</p>

<p>I can tell you about 3 that I know: U at Buffalo, SUNY at Purchase, and Chapman U.</p>

<p>Does this one interest you? UB</a> Department of Media Study It's in Buffalo, NY/</p>

<p>Now we're not really on the coast, unless you count Lake Erie as a freshwater ocean.
And it's cold and very snowy.</p>

<p>But if you were willing to consider Syracuse, which is inland, then State University at Buffalo is supposed to be strong in the arts, with all the other offerings of a university in case you change your mind. Albright Knox Museum, which is independent, has a fine modern collection so Google it. Also there are art showing spaces that are part of the university.</p>

<p>In addition to Media Studies linked above, University at Buffalo also has a department called Visual Studies where you might find what you seek artistically.</p>

<p>From what I hear as a neighbor of this university, it's very large and plain, architecturally. Undergraduate students who are very self-motivated, hardworking and seek out their course professors and resources really do get attention. Others who expect to be spoon-fed and chased after by their profs simply aren't.</p>

<p>I don't think Buffalo is a wonderful a college town like Boston or New York, however. Just a friendly, earthy, semi-midWestern vibe here. We're closer to Ohio than to NYC, so it might be too isolated for you as a region. Following college, the job situation around here is bad and you'd likely move on to another location to work, I'm afraid. Coming from California, you might be a bit stunned at the industrial northeast small cities (Syracuse, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit..) which are not in good shape, economically. Some areas of the cities are rundown, worn out, depressing. But the actual place where U of Buffalo is located happens to be an upscale suburb called Amherst, very attractive and pleasant. Student nightlife is downtown in Buffalo around Chippewa Street; very loud and lively on weekends. </p>

<p>SUNY at Purchase is the arts magnet school of the SUNY system, with strength in film, dramatic writing, acting and probably art but I've never studied that aspect of its offering. Entry is by portfoliio or audition, and it is certainly competitive to get accepted! Also unremarkable architecturally, mostly tall buildings on parking lots. BUT, the students are excited about all the arts there. It is NOT in NYC but is in a suburb about 45 minutes away by train to Manhattan. However, students go into the city on weekends so when you can break away from your studies, and get into NYC, there's nothing more inspiring to an artist, IMHO. Following graduation, the SUNY Purchase kids tend to move to NYC and have a tight network in their fields of endeavor. There are certainly more jobs around NYC than the rest of upstate NY, although competition is also keen for those positions. </p>

<p>My youngest goes to Chapman U, in Orange, California, near Anaheim and 45 minutes from "downtown" Los Angeles if there is such a thing. He likes Chapman very well. I am afraid I don't know anything about their art department, but there are some very creative departments there in film, dance, and theater. My son often mentions the Orange County influence there, with some very wealthy kids, reduced diversity than he knows from New York, great weather, more materialism, more optimism too. He genuinely likes Chapman U and finds that undergraduate students get plenty of attention from professors there who really like to teach and like the students. It's a private mid-sized university, with graduate schools in Law, Business and other Masters degree programs where the masters is the "terminal degree." So Chapman doesn't go up to PhD, which is why it's called a "National Masters University," but it has the professionalism of graduate schools as well as the college level, which is nice when you're a senior (there are still students older than yourself). For undergraduate purposes, that can be great because you have some older students but are not brushed aside because of many PhD candidates. In other words, your profs will have time for you as the undergraduates. Plus...the Pacific Ocean, Long Beach, Huntington beach are just 20 minutes away. So that really is near the coast.</p>

<p>ETA: This may or may not be related enough to your "graphic design" interest, but Chapman has a brand new major called "Digital Arts" within the Dodge College of Film and Media Arts. You might want to research that as a possible strong future field in visual applications to the film industry.</p>

<p>If you really like Boston, you might want to look into Northeastern's joint program with the School of the Museum of Fine Arts in Boston. They're within walking distance of each other, if memory serves. Also, SMFA has a similar joint program with Tufts, but you'd need to take a shuttle between the two. </p>

<p>In our research at home, I've run across the other universities you've mentioned (CMU, NC State, BU, UMichigan, Ohio State, Wash U, U of Cincinnati) and they're all worth looking into. I haven't heard much about the other programs except for Syracuse. You might also know that RISD and Brown Univ have a fairly new Dual Degree program, which is competitive, as you might expect, because you have to get admitted to both schools first and THEN the dual degree program: 3 pretty big hurdles.</p>

<p>If you're a junior, you're lucky in that you have this summer to attend one of the pre-college art programs. Many of the schools you mentioned have a pre-college program: Wash U's was 5 weeks, RISD's and CMU's was 6 weeks, BU's was 4 weeks (I think) and there are many others. Take a look at the one or two threads on this board that discuss the pre-college summer programs. My senior daughter attended one this past summer and it was actually life-changing - she figured out that she did indeed want to major in art and loved working hard at it. She also developed a number of pieces for her portfolio which she'll submit with her applications.</p>

<p>Good luck with your research!</p>

<p>Thank you both very much for your opinions! They were so indepth and thoughtful. Thank you.</p>

<p>Austinhills - yes, I've been looking (obsessively) into the pre-college programs, especially at CMU and RISD. I was unfortunate to discover the programs in May, after deadlines had passed, but that has made me all the more determined to apply early! I used to check almost weekly for the applications to be live. I believe CMU's comes out in November, at which point I will pounce. Where did your daughter attend, if you don't mind me asking?</p>

<p>Mattled, my daughter attended RISD this past summer. What I wrote in another thread was: </p>

<p>[She] absolutely loved her time at RISD and came away with 3 important things: 1) self-knowledge that she wanted to major in some kind of commercial art (illustration/graphic design/visual communication), 2) confidence that she could "keep up" with her peers and with a somewhat grueling schedule (lots of late nights to finish those projects), and 3) some really good portfolio pieces. </p>

<p>The one downside I can think of for RISD was that the dorms were not good. On the bright side, now every time she goes on a college tour and sees a dorm room, she thinks it's just palatial by comparison to RISD's.</p>

<p>Here are a couple of links to some more threads on some of the pre-college art programs:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/578684-summer-pre-college-art-programs-pratt.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/578684-summer-pre-college-art-programs-pratt.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/579859-massart-summer-pre-college-commuter.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/579859-massart-summer-pre-college-commuter.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/579835-good-precollege-summer-commuter-programs.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/arts-majors/579835-good-precollege-summer-commuter-programs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>(I hope those links work!)</p>

<p>Hi,</p>

<p>My daughter is a Graphic Arts major at Syracuse and we searched high and low for a good school. One thing we found is that in some schools it is an "arts" major, and in other schools it can be either a Bachelor of Arts, Science, Communication... etc. We learned a lot about this when we visited Syracuse and had a meeting with their fine arts department which offers a Graphic Design major. The first year is ALL arts courses, drawing, photography, 3D art, etc... This type of major requires a portfolio. My daughter is not an artist. So, we had a tour with a photo major and he was asking what she wanted to do, and her idea of what she was interested in was layout/design for a magazine. He said she should go to Newhouse School of Communications as they have a Design program that is for stuff like that. No portfolio either. So, we finished our tour, thanked the guide and went over to Newhouse. They have the Graphics Art program which would offer a Bachelor's in Communication, and they have lots of different majors that are similar within the school. She applied and is going to this school. It is a liberal arts education with all the graphics stuff thrown in. It was exactly what she was looking for.</p>

<p>Other schools she liked for Graphic Arts were RIT, American University in DC, Lehigh University which has a major called Design Arts, Miami University in Oxford, OH, and Marist which she thought was okay, but used as a safety. Of these only Miami University required a portfolio. </p>

<p>Good luck in your search!!</p>

<p>Trust me on this: take University of Cincinnati above most that are mentioned here. They have a very strong program that is also integrated with 1.5 years of coop. Most people have heard of Northeastern for coop. However, many don't know that Cincinnati started the whole coop form of education and probably has more coop opportunity in the design field than that of any other school.</p>

<p>You might also want to consider Cincinnati's program in Digital Design. Digital Design is a very emerging field. You will learn not only graphic design but also web design, animation and design for special effects. It is a much broader base for you.</p>

<p>Other schools that have decent graphic design/communication design programs in no special order are: Carnegie Mellon, Syracuse, RIT ( which has a great new media program), Pratt Institute. SUNY Purchase, VCU ( Virginia Commonwealth University), Alfred University, Yale, RISD, MICA, Towson University etc. This should get you started.</p>

<p>Of the schools that Taxguy listed, Pratt, RISD, and MICA are not universities. They have art/design majors only.</p>

<p>Worried_Mom is correct. Prat, RISD and MICA are stand alone art schools with strong repuations. I also omitted one school: Tyler School of Art,which will be located on the Temple Univerersity campus and be part of Temple.</p>

<p>SUNY New Paltz is a university with a great Art Dept. and Graphic Design program. My son is applying there now as a transfer.</p>

<p>Based upon my experience, CMU and RIT are solid University choices. I'm not sold on co-op programs as is TaxGuy. I'd rather a student take the initiative to discover, apply for, and obtain internship opportunities by their own initiative and in an area of design/country that appeals to them most. Co-ops typically limit your options, and often produce the same cookie-cutter portfolios coming from a single design program.</p>

<p>RainingAgain notes,"I'm not sold on co-op programs as is TaxGuy."</p>

<p>Response: I do understand what he is saying,but in today's economy, having strong , practical experience, not to mention possible job connnections, can make a huge difference for jobs. Coops provide this.</p>

<p>For example, my daughter's first coop was with a studio that designs web sites for movies! She helped design and deveop the web site for Nick and Nora and Batman. How cool was that! In addition, they offered her a full time job! Coops can certainly be hit or miss but do provide substantial experience that many school programs may not offer,which is why RIT also strongly recommends coops too.</p>

<p>And I understand Taxguy's perspective. With the cost of higher education, securing employment must be on the mind of every parent. I'm sure every parent breathes a tremendous sigh of proud relief when their son/daughter secures their first meaningful paycheck and is able to assume the responsibility of financial independence and adulthood.</p>

<p>Many students secure exciting and meaningful internships by their own accord. Do not believe a co-op program is the only way to make connections. Most schools have informal, working relationships with outside corporations which regularly provide opps for interns. For example, at SCAD, a number of GD students each year interned worked for this company, JCB</a> Americas: Home, at the rate of $15-18.00/hour, and were responsible for developing/maintaining the website you see.</p>

<p>As an educator my primary concern was to discover, extract and build upon the creative and unique ingenuity embedded - but possibly unrealized - within each student. Job be damned - - though developing professionally competent designers was always the institution's yardstick for measuring success because THAT is what it is selling and is what concerns students and parents most, and so it always remained an important component of every department's mission statement.</p>

<p>SJSU has an excellent graphic design program</p>

<p>Samsmom- that is excellent information. My son has been leaning toward graphic design. Syracuse was on the list, but he has been hesitant to take the plunge into the "art school" in the college of visual and performing arts . The program at Newhouse looks like it would fit him beautifully. Thanks for the suggestion!</p>