Like the recent release of celebrity nude pictures, they are placed on anonymous picture boards/site, frequently with the anon in the name. Many sites are managed off-shore, and thus can be very difficult to shut down–as they frequently morph into another site. You need law enforcement to be involved.
I don’t know what this means. Does it mean that if my daughter’s name is Jane Smith, then the photos will show up if I search “Jane Smith?”
@Bay, oldfort said that fraternities would be forced to shut down if they had to keep paying big awards when fraternities get sued. The point is, big damages are being awarded in court cases, but they are not being paid by the fraternities or the fraternities’ insurers. Rather, they are being paid by parents’ homeowners policies. The fraternities have just shifted their liability to homeowners like you and me.
Okay, I don’t care about that. If my son does something wrong, then he or I, if I am responsible, should pay.
I don’t think it is standard practice for any insurance policies, including my homeowners policy, to cover criminal activities though.
I can’t speak definitively, but in our case, it was ID’d by the school and the house. I think they may have wised up, and not be so blatant…
Consider the CSUN guys. So far they haven’t been accused of any crimes in the heatstroke death of Armando Villa. . Suppose the parents decide to sue. The fraternity’s insurance isn’t going to pay, because it will be shocked, shocked that hazing was going on. The individual fraternity members will be targets, and if they list their parents’ address as their own address on any legal documents, their parents’ homeowners insurance’s deep pockets will look mighty attractive to their lawyer.
That’s fine with me.
CF, you continue not to understand that – as much as you or I might want nationals to monitor their individual members to ensure that no bad behavior occurs – it’s a pretty complex issue. A national can be as hard-line as they like about no hazing, no underage drinking, etc. The fact remains is that these are a hundred young, stupid guys who are 1000 miles away. Aside from being stern and saying “if we find evidence of bad behavior, you’re out of here”, I am asking for REAL solutions as to what they can do.
Let me put it this way. Let’s say your own kid is on campus. You can say to him (theoretically) - if I find evidence that you are skipping classes, not studying, using drugs, blah blah blah, I’m pulling your money and you’re coming back home (which you have every right to do). But absent a video camera, how are you going to know - until you know for sure?
I’m not being snarky. I’m being very real. Of COURSE no national “wants” its members drinking underage, hazing, being inappropriate with women, etc. But you need to get real about the level of oversight that they can logistically have at the individual chapter level. Come up with a real, enforceable solution.
Here is my real suggestion, for the colleges: give up on the plan to get fraternities to behave. It hasn’t worked, and it won’t work. The fraternity chapters have shown, over and over, for a period of decades, that they are not going to behave, that they will continue to binge drink and haze, even after swearing they will stop those things. The individual chapters’ claims that they will obey the IFIG rules are worthless lies, and the entire IFIG project is merely a cynical way for fraternities to avoid having to pay large insurance premiums. University presidents should have the guts to throw the fraternities off campus.
My son’s fraternity does not haze. They are very adamant about that.
My daughter’s ex-boyfriend who was not in a fraternity binge drank to the point he was taken to the hospital by his friends.
The universities have even LESS control over private off-campus apartment binge drinking.
@boolaHI
You are the one who came on here to say your daughter was victimized and you decided to give the boy a pass. I don’t know the circumstance and nor do I understand why you decided not to pursue any criminal action against the person, but you do keep on alluding to it as the reason the whole Greek system needs to be shut down. I also don’t understand why pictures taken of our daughters at those parties should be so damaging. I regularly google my daughters and myself online to see what pops up.
They were nude pictures taken without her permission–does that paint a clear enough picture for you…and the sites are not someone necessarily Googles–they (pictures) were traded among different frats–get a damn clue.
I realize this is a very difficult and emotional topic, but name calling is not allowed no matter what the other member seems to have missed in your posts. - FC
Oldfort, enough already…
I’m sorry your daughter went through that, @boolaHI. It sounds horrible.
boolaHI: I’m so very sorry this happened to your daughter. Thank you for posting here.
Not a problem, I think, without getting too specific, information helps us make better decisions on the behalf of our kids. As with most things in life, there can be the one person who is not wise or discerning enough, to leave well enough alone…but, I certainly appreciate the thoughts and concerns.
There was a obvious negative to prosecuting–if anyone else had copies of the photos of Boola’s daughter, they might have shared them as revenge. Just mentioning it as a possibility. And even in best case scenario, she may have had to endure some unwanted media attention.
boolaHi- I am not as much of idiot as you think. The kind of business I am in, I know how important data and privacy is. No one should store or give their nude pictures to anyone. I don’t care if it is your parent, best friend or boyfriend, they can be stolen by others. There is not one site which is secured enough to store those pictures.
I am very sorry it happened to your daughter, I am sure she was traumatized and hope she is getting the help she needs to recover from the experience. But without additional information (and I am not asking for more), I am not convinced it has that much to do with Greek life.
If you do not want to talk about your kid’s experience then don’t keep on reference it. We can have a discussion about Greek life without knowing anything about your daughter.
dstark - I am not your child, no need to take that tone with me. I am comfortable with what I am posting here. There is much more I could have said. I have 2 girls myself, so I left it be.