<p>How does Georgetown honestly compare to the Ivies, both in academics and prestige? I hear a lot of mixed reviews.
Same question for Georgetown SFS</p>
<p>The Ivy League is an athletic conference. As far as academics, the highest tier is HYPSM, then basically all other top tier schools, including the other Ivies and Georgetown. As far as prestige, Georgetown is very well-known and has a great reputation, but again, it would be less than HYPSM, probably more in the lines of Duke and Darthmouth. This, at least, is my opinion. Georgetown SFS is excellent, but as a sole entity, I don’t think it has much prestige, at least as far as the masses are concerned.</p>
<p>SFS - very well respected in the Foreign Service/IR community (to some extent in Finance as well)</p>
<p>When it comes to academics it depends on what one wants to study. In some case it is on par with HYP. Especially, with regard to SFS, theology and government. Georgetown is definitely weaker when it comes to engineering. In fact, you can’t even study engineering at Georgetown. Georgetown’s language and linguistics faculty are also excellent and are at least as good as the IVs. Pre-med is solid too and a least as good if not better than Brown, and Dartmouth. As far as business goes. Penn is better, but Georgetown is on par with Cornell. Someof the other ivies don’t even grant business degrees to undergraduates.</p>
<p>When I think of prestige regarding universities, I think about where the smartest students from the most competitive high schools go to study. In general H,Y,P, M, S Oxford, Cambridge students are on a different level. They are where the cream of the crop usually go. The competitive high schools then usually send their next tier to the lower ivies and the Georgetowns, military academies. Of course these are stereotypes and there are always exceptions, but these are the trends that I see.</p>
<p>Given the above, I would say that Georgetown for undergrad is equal to non-Wharton Penn, Dartmouth, and Columbia, and may even have better lay prestige than these schools based on nationwide name recognition.</p>
<p>I’d say that it is less prestigious than HYP, Wharton for business, and Brown</p>
<p>A bit more prestigious than Cornell for everything except science and engineering.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that Georgetown is firmly in the mix with most of the ivies. If you are looking at SFS Georgetown competes with HYP, and is ahead of the other ivies. When it comes to basketball I’ll take Georgetown over Harvard on December 23, 2009.</p>
<p>I rougly agree with 1789’s assessment.</p>
<p>Another way to think of it would be to look at the 4 undergraduate colleges at Georgetown University and compare them to the IV league’s comparable programs.</p>
<p>SFS is equal to H,Y,P
and better than the rest of the IVs</p>
<p>School of Business is worse than Wharton but equal to Cornell
the other IVs don’t grant business degrees.</p>
<p>School of Nursing and Health Studies is equal to Penn
I don’t believe that any of the other IVs have a Nursing and Health Studies school.</p>
<p>College of Arts and Science is worse than HYP Cornell (for Science) and perhaps Brown
about equal to Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn
better than Cornell (for the Art and Humanities)</p>
<p>I am sorry but I think some of you have Georgetown goggles on, or you underestimate the non HYP Ivies. The undergrad focused Ivies (Brown and Dartmouth) are better than Georgetown in that area, particularly spending per student and undergrad focus. The research focused Ivies, such as Penn, Cornell, and Columbia, are much better at research and have better faculty. </p>
<p>And you don;t need to have a business school to have strong business recruiting. Georgetown is not as good at the Ivies - business school or not - in this area.</p>
<p>Overall, Georgetown is a great school, probably underranked. I would put it up there maybe close to Rice and Wash U, and slightly above UVA, Notre Dame, Emory - but I don’t think its Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia, Penn level. SFS might be.</p>
<p>The OP said nothing about undergraduate or graduate, and since (s)he seemingly referred to the university as a whole…</p>
<p>SFS
Georgetown is HYP-level. </p>
<p>Business
Both Ivies with undergraduate business (Cornell and Penn) have superior programs, and the other Ivies have equal or superior recruiting. At the MBA level, all six Ivies with business programs (Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Yale) beat out Georgetown.</p>
<p>Nursing
I don’t think there’s an undergraduate ranking. Columbia, Penn, and Yale have superior graduate nursing programs.</p>
<p>Arts & Sciences
Georgetown is significant weaker than all of the Ivies in A&S except maybe Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Law
All five Ivies with law schools (Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, Penn, Yale) have equal or stronger law schools, although Georgetown is nevertheless a T14 program.</p>
<p>Medicine
All seven Ivies with medical schools (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Penn, Yale) have stronger medical schools.</p>
<p>Summary: Georgetown is weaker in nearly every area than the Ivies, with the exception of SFS. Its prestige, however, is still quite high.</p>
<p>a lot of the posters above are trying to make sweeping statements for programs they know little about. I confess to be confined to business and by virtue of being an incoming freshman, only know the relative prestige, not academics.</p>
<p>For business:
Wharton, Harvard, Yale, Princeton > Georgetown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Columbia > Brown</p>
<p>Yes, Georgetown is well recognized in the finance community despite its abysmal ranking. Hopefully the new facility will improve its ranking and its prestige will increase too. However, it will not command the same prestige as WHYP.</p>
<p>^^ It seems like Georgetown’s recruitment for business isn’t on par with most of the ivies though.</p>
<p>We really should not be comparing Georgetown to the collective strength of the entire IV League. It is simply not fair. You would have to go school by school. </p>
<p>Also, the non-HYP have their strengths, as noted above, but they also significantly benefit from their association with HYP. If HYP were to break away from the IV league tomorrow, would Georgetown be weaker in every area than the IVs? Of course not. Not one of the non-HYP Ivys beats Georgetown in every category. That’s what makes Georgetown unique, and why we can have the dialogue. In fact, if Georgetown were to join the IV league it could be argued that it would complement the other 8 quite well.</p>
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On the contrary – Penn does, with extra schools (vet medicine, dentistry, communication, education, etc.) to boot.</p>
<p>Columbia and Cornell do with the exception of undergraduate business and nursing (respectively). Both of those have many top-notch schools (agriculture, engineering, hotel administration, journalism, etc.) that Georgetown lacks.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, it’s the Ivy League. Calling it the IV League makes it sounds like a bunch of hospital patients forming an athletic association.)</p>
<p>^^Um, none of those schools beats SFS. Princeton and perhaps Columbia are the only two Ivies that are on the same level in the world of International Relations. </p>
<p>When I think of Georgetown, I think of it, prestige-wise, as on-par with Brown and Cornell, and that’s how every guidance counselor I know feels as well. Georgetown, in general, has better Business, IR, Pre-med, PoliSci and Linguistics than the lower Ivies. However, in Science, Math, Engineering, Arts, etc., the lower Ivies beats Georgetown.</p>
<p>I don’t quite know what IBclass06 is talking about Georgetown’s business in relation to Cornell. Cornell and Georgetown are ranked 13th and 14th respectively in the US News rankings, last time I checked.</p>
<p>The thing is the fact that people here think Georgetown does as well as some of the Ivies in business in my opinion means that people here don’t understand business recruiting. The top firms all recruit from almost any major at the Ivies, its almost a negative to go to a BBA program. My brother worked at Goldman and a top PE firm (now goes to HBS) and he definitely was adamant that the advantage of the Ivies is you don’t need to major in business to get the best business jobs. Top firms just come to the Ivies. Businessweek rankings are meaningless.</p>
<p>If by best business jobs we are talking about Wall Street then Georgetown is competitive with the IVs (coming from the Roman numeral IV, and commonly known to describe the athletic league founded by original 4 Ivy league members including H,Y,P which eventually became the “Ivy League”). Georgetown, not only the business school, is a TARGET school for Wall Street Firms. As admitone noted, a student doesn’t need a BBA to go to wall street or into management consulting so going to SFS or CAS would also be a good place to study if a student wants to leave the Wall Street door open.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, finance is only part of business. And these are the best jobs only if one is interested in finance. There is also accounting, marketing, non-profit management, etc. And the best jobs in these fields are not always on Wall Street. For example, if someone wants to go into accounting and become a CPA they would be better off getting there accounting credits from Penn, Cornell, or Georgetown. You simply can’t major in accounting at a place like Brown.</p>
<p>Also, eventhough the graduate school information is interesting and very accurate, I think we are getting a little off topic and perhaps we should focus on undergraduate education because this is the Georgetown Forum under CC’s Top Universities category. This category is based on US News’ undergraduate rankings.</p>
<p>Hi All,
I’m an acceptee to the Georgetown College of Arts and Sciences Class of 2013. I stumbled onto this thread, and it reminded me of something one of the group leaders said during Georgetown’s accepted students program. He said Georgetown was actually invited to join the Ivy League, but rejected the invitation because membership required dropping the Catholic affiliation. I don’t know the credibility of the aforementioned, but it would be a funny tale… although I see the reasoning behind it (in the baby years of the Ivy League, it was simply an athletic association, and didn’t carry the prestige or social connotations that it does today, which didn’t make the label appealing enough to sacrifice the religious foundation of the school.). It’s certainly believable, considering Georgetown’s age; i mean, the founding of Georgetown can be traced back to as far as 1634, which is certainly in the realm of Ivys, even the oldest (Harvard was founded in 1636). I don’t know, food for thought i guess.</p>
<p>^Yeah, I heard that as well.</p>
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<p>A similar rumor persists at Rutgers, albeit with somewhat more accuracy.</p>
<p>“If Georgetown was not everyone’s first choice, it will prepare its graduates as well as Princeton, Yale or Harvard.”</p>
<p>Great ending… let’s leave it at that…</p>
<p>Also realize, a very significant part of college (and your future career) is what you make of it… the brand does matter, but if you work hard, trust me, you will be every bit as successful as the graduates of the numerous aforementioned schools in this post…</p>
<p>Yes, the fight song mentions Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and Cornell. In addition to Holy Cross and Navy. At the time these were Georgetown’s football opponents. Not a mention of Columbia, Penn, Brown or Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Granted Georgetown has their fair share of HYP rejects, but so do the so-called lower ivies, so let’s not kid ourselves and pretend that the IV league is one big happy family where everyone is treated equally. There is definitely a pecking order and prestige and academics are relative.</p>