<p>He basically told me that taking the ivy tech class for K-201 was basically a suicidal move and that I shouldn't even apply if I did such a thing..</p>
<p>Is this a buncha BS or is he being straight up about my chances?</p>
<p>Did you speak with a Kelley adviser or a general school adviser? Also, before you signed up for the Ivy Tech version, did you confirm with Kelley that it would be acceptable?</p>
<p>On the credit transfer service page, it states for this particular class:
Comment: APPROVED SPRING 98 & AFTER; APPROV. W/ BUS AS WELL </p>
<p>While this comment isn't totally clear, the prudent course would be to check with the business school first to confirm this class was OK.</p>
<p>Good luck. If you have to switch back, it looks like there are a few spots left in K201.</p>
<p>It was a general adviser. Whom should I go to within the business school to check this?</p>
<p>Yes, it is an accepted course, but the adviser was basically saying that Kelley ad-coms aren't stupid and know that I am "trying to play the system" when I take a class at Ivy tech... They also will notice that the only Kelley admission required course that I would be taking at IUB was Bus-g 100 (Since I already have credit for English and M119 and would be taking k201 credit at ivy tech...) Since they are primarily focusing on these classes for my admissions, I wouldn't be looking good. I think he also said something along the lines of "Kelley will be very picky" when it comes to admissions, and the more I take here, the better chances I'll have...</p>
<p>He also recommended that I apply for the fall next year, because I would be able to take more of the classes Kelley is looking for.</p>
<p>The Ivy Tech K201 equivalent would not look very good on your transcript if you are applying for Kelley, and you really need to take K201 your first year because you will need to take X201 by the end of your sophomore year to be on track for I-core. No law against direct admits taking the Ivy Tech class and still be in Kelley, but I doubt seriously that the Ivy Tech class would prepare you very well for X201 Technology in Business. </p>
<p>K201 is a tough class for most people, and you might want to take CSCI A110 Intro to Microcomputers this semester and then take K201 in the spring if you think you might have trouble with it. A110 introduces you to Excel, which is used intensively in K201. Need to decide really quickly though, in order to take A110 this semester. Don't think you can apply A110 credit to the Kelley degree distribution option, but taking it will make K201 less difficult, and Kelley will only let you take A110 in a semester before you take K201.</p>
<p>I think the advisor was giving good advice when he said Kelley would be getting more picky. There are more direct admits every year at Kelley and this makes it harder for freshman and sophomore applicants to get in, since I think the size of each class is pretty strictly limited. Not only would K201 on your app look like you were gaming the system, the admissions people would probably genuinely think you would not be as prepared to do well in X201 as people who survived K201 at IU.</p>
<p>Well I have 3 options. I can either take K201 OR take M118. I am leaning towards K201 because I know enough about computers to believe I will do fine in the class. I found a nice honors m118 class as well, and the grades seem higher than in regular m118. I will probably schedule both and drop one depending on which seems tougher.</p>
<p>I could also take bthomp's idea and take A110 and maybe M118 so that I can prepare for K201 and still have an admissions course out of the way...</p>
<p>I would think the more I-core prerequisites you have taken or are taking at the time you apply, the better your chances of getting accepted. It would show, among other things, that you are more serious about getting into Kelley than if you only had minimal pre-reqs.</p>
<p>Well, I have to wait for a k201 lecture to open, then I'll take it. My schedule isn't too bad at only 12 credits. </p>
<p>G-100 (easy I heard)
Music-z 101( easy as well)
K201(Hard for most, but I think I'll be fine :D)
M118(The honors class seems to be more "rewarding" than normal classes, so I'm thinking about keeping it honors unless someone with experience tells me otherwise...)</p>
<p>Not too bad I might say... Maybe I'll take another class on the side..</p>
<p>I may be reading the fall schedule of classes wrong, but it looks to me like the last lecture section still has 3 seats available.</p>
<p>02:30P-03:20P F BU 219 Evans Groth N 263 3 30</p>
<p>Would that be a possibilty for you?</p>
<p>yes it would be... lemme check that out.</p>
<p>Edit: No lectures open...</p>
<p>Rof, it is my understanding that you are a transfer student. Has anyone at IU officially told you how your Penn State classes are going to apply to the Kelley requirements?</p>
<p>It's hard to give you much advice without knowing what requirements you have already satisfied. However, generally speaking, it looks like you need to think about your course selection from a couple of different angles. </p>
<p>First, you need to successfully complete the classes needed for admission to Kelley AND establish a great GPA to help ensure you are accepted. From the PSU classes & grades you listed on another thread, it appears that you are a good student who, if you work hard, can get the grades you need for Kelley. It looks like you are in M118 and G100 at IU this semester. You've already completed Calc (M119) at PSU so, while it will probably count as a completed icore requirement, no grade will attach. Which means your need K201 for admission. If you can't get in this semester, which is likely, you are left with taking in the spring and applying for Fall 09 admission to Kelley.</p>
<p>Second, if you want to graduate in anywhere close to 4 years, you need to get busy on the icore requirements. You probably know these, but here they are: </p>
<p>All courses must be completed with a C or higher.
BUS-A 100 Business Accounting Skills (1 cr.)
BUS-A 201 Introduction to Financial Accounting (3 cr.)
BUS-A 202 Introduction to Managerial Accounting (3 cr.)
BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 cr.)
BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 cr.)
BUS-X 104 Business Presentations (3 cr.)
BUS-X 201 Technology (3 cr.)
BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 cr.)
BUS-G 202 Business and Economic Strategy in the Public Arena
ECON-E 201 Introduction to Microeconomics (3 cr.)
ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis in Economics and Business (3 cr.) </p>
<p>Based on how your PSU classes transfer, you need to start planning when you will complete these classes. Taking X104, Business Presentations, might be a good idea for this semester.</p>
<p>Then there is also the 6 hour international dimension requirement to complete. Perhaps a language class (200 level or above) would fit in your schedule.</p>
<p>Finally, Kelley admission is getting more difficult each year. You need to position yourself with a great GPA and a schedule that shows you have challenged yourself to take advantage of the courses available at IU. </p>
<p>I'd also have to say that only taking 12 hours this semester is a waste of time AND money. Especially if you are OOS. Your tuition covers up to 17 hours. 12 hours is a very light load and, I'm afraid won't look good to Kelley.</p>
<p>Again, your PSU grades look excellent so there is no reason, if you are willing to work hard, that you can't get excellent grades at IU.</p>
<p>I just wish, and I'm sure you must to, that you had received the IU advice earlier this summer when it would have been easier to craft a good schedule.</p>
<p>That is some great info! Thanks!</p>
<p>I was lucky enough to get into a K201 class today (I was with a Kelley adviser and he told me it was all registered). He told me that my class selections were in fact competitive and that they will notice that I am taking an honors class as well. He also said that I should be fine as long as I break the A/B requirements so I am in good standing right now. If anything, I might keep my schedule at 15 credits, which includes the following:</p>
<p>Bus-g 100
Bus-k 201
Math-S 118(honors)
Cmcl-c 122
and Mus-z 101</p>
<p>Which gives me 15 credits. The adviser actually told me I should drop 1 class, but I'll check that tomorrow (it's been a long day today since I am basically doing 4 T-Th classes and 1 MW class :D)</p>
<p>I have credit complete(or being done) for the following classes:</p>
<p>BUS-A 201 Introduction to Financial Accounting (3 cr.)
BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 cr.)
BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 cr.)
BUS-G 202 Business and Economic Strategy in the Public Arena
ECON-E 202</p>
<p>Glad things worked out. Good luck!</p>
<p>Thanks! (10char)</p>
<p>good choice on taking k201 here, for some people x201 will rock their socks, and even if you took k201 its just different...</p>
<p>Situations like this is exactly why I withdrew from being a direct admit. They care more about their school than the students who make the school. Kelley has a huge weed out process that they force you to go into. The Ivy Tech class covers the exact same material that the IU class covers, but doesn't include the busy work and grade deflation of Kelley. You also aren't put in a huge lecture hall, rather you're interacting with professors and asking questions which is better for the learning of the material. Kelley essentially gives you a lecture, and then tells you to "learn it on your own through the book". It's ridiculous.</p>
<p>Commonly known as admit them all and then throw them under the bus. You live, you graduate!</p>
<p>Reviving this thread...</p>
<p>Finite is kicking my butt, k201 is the easiest class I've ever taken...Just a lot of menial query errands... I don't understand why I can't do finite correctly... Most people have the opposite problem I am having.</p>
<p>My finite grade is like 65 so far. We've finished 30% of the class and I still have a decent shot at getting a B if I can figure out how to do this stuff correctly. The class average is about 76.</p>
<p>What is really getting me mad is the fact that I ace'd my statistics classes but for some reason finite probability doesn't make any sense to me! Maybe I'm approaching these problems the wrong way.</p>
<p>Also, I've been noticing that I am having a lot of concentration problems with my classes, as well as a general anxiety issue with my quizes/exams. I'm getting so anxious that I sometimes get sick half way through a test.
Something's up and I need to get to the bottom of it all quick.</p>
<p>Anxiety can be a real problem, since it not only hampers your concentration, but can also affect your health.</p>
<p>Try to time your finite math study so that it is not the last thing you study before you go to bed. Take time to study something else, or preferably watch a TV comedy show right before you go to sleep so that you can get your anxiety about the class behind you--at least during the evening. </p>
<p>A good night's sleep will make the anxiety much less the next day during test or quiz time. And if you know you've covered the material well, then just recalling the methodology will help. If in doubt, try to study with others, or else get a tutoring session to help confirm that you understand the main points.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>Don't worry too much about finite. The third test (matrix operations) is the easiest of them all and the final has a generous curve. If you work hard you shouldn't have a problem getting at least a B.</p>
<p>Cool, thanks guys!</p>